Re: John's: In anarchy -everyone responsible
At 09:05 PM 2/4/97 +0000, Attila T. Hun wrote:
on or about 970204:0312 Greg Broiles
said: + Is the desire for an anarchic community at odds with a desire for + good use of resources?
Actually, it is quite possible that an "anarchic community" is _more_ efficient in the use of resources than some sort of organized community. It is explained, for example, that the reason there are so many different kinds of life on earth is that there are so many ecological niches to fill.
In a "popular" anarchy, Jim Bell's assassination politics make perfectly good sense; but, a "popular" anarchy is not an _anarchy_.
I guess I don't understand the distinction you are trying to make, between a "popular anarchy" and an "anarchy." Maybe you were trying to distinguish between "dictatorship of the few (or one)" and "dictatorship of the many (perhaps a majority)" but it didn't come out very understandably. Put simply, "anarchy is not the lack of order. It is the lack of _orders_."
anarchy is only possible in an ideal world where _everyone_ assumes not only responsibility for themselves, but for the common good. no malice, no greed, no need for assassination politics....
No, that's traditional thinking and that's wrong. See AP part 8. Freud believed (as "everyone" else believed, even myself, before AP) that anarchy was inherently unstable. But it ISN'T, if the tools of AP are used to stabilize it. And no, no altruism is necessary for AP to work as well; no individuals are being asked to sacrifice themselves for the common good. Rather, they are given the opportunity to work to achieve a reward offered, cumulatively, by a number of citizens. Jim Bell jimbell@pacifier.com
At 09:05 PM 2/4/97 +0000, Attila T. Hun wrote:
on or about 970204:0312 Greg Broiles
said: + Is the desire for an anarchic community at odds with a desire for + good use of resources? Actually, it is quite possible that an "anarchic community" is _more_ efficient in the use of resources than some sort of organized community. It is explained, for example, that the reason there are so many different kinds of life on earth is that there are so many ecological niches to fill.
Good does not necessarily mean efficient, and efficient does not necessarily mean good. Picture--if you can--the "perfect" centrally planned economy where all possible market conditions, wants and needs are taken into account. Factories are placed optimally for access to natural resources and distribution to consumers etc. Also assume that the people running this society _are_ intersted in efficient production methods, and activly look for new and better ways of getting things done--benign facism/socialism if you will. This would (assuming perfect people, but bear with me) be the _most efficient_ method of producing and delivering goods, but it would introduce certain "choke points", one natural disaster or war could cripple production of necessary items. Picture anarchy, massively redundant, and resistent to this problem, while probably not anywhere _near_ as efficient, this "system" would have the ability to absorb damage and adapt more rapidly to changing enviroments.
No, that's traditional thinking and that's wrong. See AP part 8. Freud believed (as "everyone" else believed, even myself, before AP) that anarchy was inherently unstable. But it ISN'T, if the tools of AP are used to
Stable is a relative thing. Are things stable now? If you think so, you either aren't looking very hard, or you are giving "stable" a wide range.
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