Re: LACC: PC Phones Home?
(This came to me via the Cypherpunks list, and was addressed to "lacc@suburbia.net". I have no idea who that is, or how it got to the CP list...probably another local reflector of the list, of which we seem to be getting more and more every day. Very confusing. I am removing these from the distribution list...if they get it, they get it.) At 2:28 PM 3/13/96, D. C. Hilliard wrote:
Listers,
I came across a blurb in the local paper today and was interested if someone here could provide some substance to the story:
"Software to the rescue: If somoeone steals your PC, you may be able to get it back because of software that acts as a kind of tracking device. Home Office Computing magazine reports that the software CompuTrace TRS will automatically dial the office of its creator, Absolute Software, if a thief hooks up a stolen PC's modem to a phone line. The software reveals the location of the PC and Absolute Software will call the police" - Providence Journal-Bulletin - March 12, 1996.
Any Comments?
Thanks for the pointer. I found more info via Alta Vista, including a more detailed press release (http://199.125.99.5/vpr/vpr/000246.htm). It looks "cypherpunkly correct" to me. No mandatory aspects and no privacy-limiting aspects. It calls the CompuTrace number weekly, and this could in principle help to track a mobile (laptop) user. But the arrangement is voluntary, and of course the owner knows about it and hence is not being tricked. (Slightly more worrisome might be corporate-owned laptops, with the program used to track where employees are making use of the laptop. However, two things mitigate against this. First, CompuTrace only makes a trace of the call if the laptop is reported stolen (though this arrangement could be modified by the corporate owner). Second, the weekly call is a poor granularity for tracking (though this, too, could be modified). Lastly, the owner of the laptop can do with his property what he wishes, as I see it.) I would think that a knowledgeable thief could disable such software, even if it is fairly cleverly hidden. But a typical thief would not. But then a typical thief merely stockpiles the things he steals and is unlikely in the extreme to actually try to use the PC he has stolen. The likeliest scenario is that the stolen machine is sold to someone at a flea market, or through classified ads in the paper, or as part of a bulk sale to a company seeking cheap computers. It is this user who is likely to get nabbed. (And then they'll have to return the computer as stolen property and tell what they know about who sold it to them. Sounds fair to me.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:
(And then they'll have to return the computer as stolen property and tell what they know about who sold it to them. Sounds fair to me.)
Really? In Sweden, if you buy stolen property from a thief or fence 'in good faith', not knowing that it was stolen (usally arguable in court only if the price was substantially below market value) you can keep it. The original owner, or his insurance company, can buy it back only if you let them. It's up to the others to prove that you didn't act 'in good faith' - if it can be proved that you did not, you are likely to be prosecuted for fencing, of course (if the state doesn't drop the case for lack of manpower, which often occurs with 'minor' crimes). I can think of another application for computers (or modems) signalling their presence with regular intervals. Manufacturers can keep track of their use, life-length etc. Using some kind of Chaumian blind signatures (like those implemented in anonymous toll systems) this could be done without revealing the geographical location of a specific computer, I guess - the manufacturers presumably wouln't care if the hardware was stolen or not. Asgaard
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