At 6:38 PM 4/30/96, Perry E. Metzger wrote:

Timothy C. May writes:

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SCRUFFIES AND NEATS IN SECURITY

The "security neat" believes in applying rigor to security. Machines and languages should be "provably secure." (Better yet, machines should be "provably correct," a la Viper, and operating systems and languages should produce provably correct code.)

Don't take this the wrong way, Tim, but you have totally misinterpreted the position many of us who dislike Java take. You completely mischaracterize our attitude.

Perry, that essay was, as I said, sent out before it was finished. I did not even get to the part I was planning about classifying the Java supporters/detractors as either scruffies or neats! Now, while you may have _anticipated_ the point I was going to make in the completed essay, you cannot say I have "mischaracterized" anyone's attitude at this point! Unless you have a source of thiotimoline I'm not aware of. --Tim Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."