The OCAF's White Paper on Internet Pornography
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- cpunks, regarding this paper; it's sent out by an autoresponder. is it illegal to make excessive use of the autoresponder? this would be a type of denial of service attack. i'm wondering if i set up a cron job to request a copy every 5 or 10 minutes and just send it to /dev/nul, could i get in more trouble than say, someone just telling me to cut it out? opinions? - -pjf "Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773) finger for PGP key zifi runs LINUX 1.3.57 -=-=-=WEB=-=-=-> http://zifi.genetics.utah.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by mkpgp1.6, a Pine/PGP interface. iQCVAwUBMRe7B03Qo/lG0AH5AQF6KwP/XAQq4yoi0Ytetl6rUnnCJBvbNktRmSEP 3D+ILw4+qn4YDQX96Q6+SoGYD/9zHu59ywFWk42hYCXYNhOpo+GBTF9uGWIb5lD6 /DdzSLDpCKUvggmI395STqoEBuKj5ILSGBzDZGfnw6g6IAcJIRwnwiE/MhLjgKof 2S0mWLFc4aQ= =+twb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
zinc writes:
regarding this [OCAF] paper; it's sent out by an autoresponder. is it illegal to make excessive use of the autoresponder? this would be a type of denial of service attack.
IMHO scared closed-minded folks such as (apparently) OCAF have every right to speak too. But on the advice of counsel ;) I am _not_ offering to run an OCAFmirror hereabouts.... -Lewis "Don't believe the church and state, and everything they tell you" --Mike & the Mechanics
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, zinc wrote:
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regarding this paper; it's sent out by an autoresponder. is it illegal to make excessive use of the autoresponder? this would be a type of denial of service attack.
i'm wondering if i set up a cron job to request a copy every 5 or 10 minutes and just send it to /dev/nul, could i get in more trouble than say, someone just telling me to cut it out?
This would be bad, but TAKE A LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT RIGHT NOW!!! The fun starts about a page down. http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/noporn.html Whoever "DWF" is deserves a medal. -rich
I'd thought that this was a "friendly" site that had been hacked. It's not. But the comments are pretty funny regardless. -rich On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Rich Graves wrote:
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, zinc wrote:
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regarding this paper; it's sent out by an autoresponder. is it illegal to make excessive use of the autoresponder? this would be a type of denial of service attack.
i'm wondering if i set up a cron job to request a copy every 5 or 10 minutes and just send it to /dev/nul, could i get in more trouble than say, someone just telling me to cut it out?
This would be bad, but
TAKE A LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT RIGHT NOW!!! The fun starts about a page down.
http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/noporn.html
Whoever "DWF" is deserves a medal.
-rich
zinc wrote: | i'm wondering if i set up a cron job to request a copy every 5 or 10 | minutes and just send it to /dev/nul, could i get in more trouble than | say, someone just telling me to cut it out? I think that they would try to press charges under the precedent that a guys modem auto-dialing Jerry Falwell's number was forced to make restitution. (Forget the reference, sorry.) The important difference is that they probably are not being billed on a per transaction basis, whereas 800 numbers are billed per call. Would they sue? Can you sell a jury on the essential difference being that they were not billed per copy mailed? I'd expect that they'd react with a 'cut it out' message first. Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume
On Feb 6, 16:44, Adam Shostack sent the following to the NSA's mail archives:
Subject: Re: The OCAF's White Paper on Internet Pornography || zinc wrote: || || | i'm wondering if i set up a cron job to request a copy every 5 or 10 || | minutes and just send it to /dev/nul, could i get in more trouble than || | say, someone just telling me to cut it out? || || I think that they would try to press charges under the precedent that || a guys modem auto-dialing Jerry Falwell's number was forced to make || restitution. (Forget the reference, sorry.) || || The important difference is that they probably are not being billed on || a per transaction basis, whereas 800 numbers are billed per call. || Would they sue? Can you sell a jury on the essential difference being || that they were not billed per copy mailed? I'd expect that they'd || react with a 'cut it out' message first. ||
And then they would, of course, use the inflated "hit" count as proof positive that the Internet citizenry is on their side! -- ========================================================================== David J. Bianco | Web Wonders, Online Oddities, Cool Stuff iTribe, Inc. | Phone: (804) 446-9060 Fax: (804) 446-9061 Suite 1700, World Trade Center | email: <bianco@itribe.net> Norfolk, VA 23510 | URL : http://www.itribe.net/~bianco/
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- howdy folks, it's been pointed out to me that the attack i mentioned would be unfair to others who use this ISP. i will not be doing any mass mailing and i suggest others refrain from doing so as well. the document is good reading, although it does hurt your head if you've had any logic at all. i guess those years of debate weren't for nothing after all... - -pat finerty biochem grad student "Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773) finger for PGP key zifi runs LINUX 1.3.57 -=-=-=WEB=-=-=-> http://zifi.genetics.utah.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by mkpgp1.6, a Pine/PGP interface. iQCVAwUBMRfao03Qo/lG0AH5AQEItwQAk8V6LlIfLEKA+HgvyseAVZcWaNgnGvzP Yduj9cs6eQYE64uaccYWsmHFLg1I/VlxyuF/FOh658xPDgSYUDFPPYRJB/fZhQfz ga6cQ5CbOaRiGY/7H2fdoUn5Y0kG35hfZ6LYg0EARgo4BphtNSFdTg9TGECdlAsE 5MmwIxUumDA= =jk9n -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, zinc wrote:
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regarding this paper; it's sent out by an autoresponder. is it illegal to make excessive use of the autoresponder? this would be a type of denial of service attack.
i'm wondering if i set up a cron job to request a copy every 5 or 10 minutes and just send it to /dev/nul, could i get in more trouble than say, someone just telling me to cut it out?
Regardless of the legal merits, this would be called "being an asshole." The guy who runs mailback.com is just another common carrier. - -rich http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~llurch/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMRfFJI3DXUbM57SdAQFXwQQAn1IQKS6uU2MVWZbePCG1D19lmVKfBzry L9rxdcEXCoHDpSlyqdIiv7b2SJ2PzRj8aB9p2sA1F8lyaiO4xj+21YJE/RBQ6vi7 J/VwcO6ZCvJ8Wqq6SHU+HqeuCRqV2SR/WWZtdryZGRCOeT2zVeawOlu9qxMygcgF bsWXUea2A/k= =/aC3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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zinc