Firebeard (ouch!) writes:

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Dave Hayes writes: Yes, ownership gives you a license to censor. I'm going to have a party in my home a few weeks from now. If I don't like what someone is doing, I'll kick 'em out. I won't do it lightly, but I will fight for my right to do so. DH> Of course, you may invite anyone you choose, since a party is DH> usually had by inviting people whom you select. If you invite them DH> and then subsequently kick them out when they do things you do not DH> want them to do, I will chastise -you- (if I am present) for your DH> lack of judgement in whom to invite. Their behavior would merely DH> something to learn from, yours would be fashionably dishonorable. By "kicking them out", I'd be admitting that my judgement was in error. I'm big enough to admit that.

But are you "big" (by whatever standard) enough to admit that "judgement" of others is the error?

Apparently, you are not big enough to admit such a thing, and would prefer to cower in the corner while the person whose character you misjudged drives everyone else away.

Why go that far? The people *I* generally invite to parties are quite capable of handling whatever disturbance arises, being "big enough" to realize that "disruptive influences" are only disruptive if one allows them that ability. If I've invited someone who cannot handle their own ability to be disrupted, only -then- is my judgement in "error" by the standard of "error" you seem to be espousing.

DH> BTW, "Kicking them out" is not censorship. A party and a mailing DH> list are usually two different things. The former may include the DH> latter, but the latter is not anything like the former.

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Oh, and I plan to subscribe to the freedom-knights mailing list and infest it the way Vulis did cypherpunks. Every hour, on the hour, a crontab script will flood it with rants about Dave (fart) Hayes. DH> You won't do this, because I won't let you on the list. I, unlike DH> you or Mr. Gilmore, have the judgement on whom to invite to my DH> list. And Mr Gilmore may not have had the proper judgement, in allowing everyone to join the list.

"Proper" in the sense you seem to mean it, implies that you understand the goal Mr. Gilmore had in mind in allowing everyone to join the list.

But he was big enough to admit that he had made an error in judgement, and take steps to deal with that error, rather than deny that he had made the error. Perhaps his judgement was in error regarding the steps he took, but I expect that if he reaches the conclusion that he was again in error, he will admit that. Perhaps that judgement of mine is in error, but I'm big enough to admit that I'm not perfect.

Well. -I-, on the other hand, am so big that I have no need to copiously announce the obvious fact of my imperfection to the world, so I can afford to pretend that I am perfect. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet A passerby caught Nasrudin prying open the window of his own bedroom from the outside in the depths of night. "What are you doing? Locked out?" "Hush!" came the reply. "They say I walk in my sleep. I am trying to surprise myself and find out."