Black Unicorn exposed?
At 11:00 AM 11/9/1996, Robert Hettinga wrote:
S. L. vonBernhardt, <mailto:unicorn@schloss.li>,...
Black Unicorn recently stated that had taken measures to shield his identity so that people would be unable to cause harm to his professional activities by making unsubstantiated claims that could scare off prospective clients. It appears now that this protection has evaporated. It will not be very hard in the future to put this information together with other statements people may make about Mr. Unicorn. We are hardly operating in a hostile environment. Yet, somebody who has apparently gone to some effort to have an anonymous identity has been exposed. The implications of this are worth considering. Peter Hendrickson ph@netcom.com
On Sat, 9 Nov 1996, Peter Hendrickson wrote:
At 11:00 AM 11/9/1996, Robert Hettinga wrote:
S. L. vonBernhardt, <mailto:unicorn@schloss.li>,...
Black Unicorn recently stated that had taken measures to shield his identity so that people would be unable to cause harm to his professional activities by making unsubstantiated claims that could scare off prospective clients.
It appears now that this protection has evaporated. It will not be very hard in the future to put this information together with other statements people may make about Mr. Unicorn.
We are hardly operating in a hostile environment. Yet, somebody who has apparently gone to some effort to have an anonymous identity has been exposed. The implications of this are worth considering.
Do you have any reason to believe that S. L. von Bernhardt is Uni's real name? Alan Bostick | You know those chemicals women have in them, | when they've got PMS? Well, men have those very mailto:abostick@netcom.com | same chemicals in them *all the time*. news:alt.grelb | Margaret Atwood, THE ROBBER BRIDE http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~abostick
Peter Hendrickson sez:
At 11:00 AM 11/9/1996, Robert Hettinga wrote:
S. L. vonBernhardt, <mailto:unicorn@schloss.li>,...
Black Unicorn recently stated that had taken measures to shield his identity so that people would be unable to cause harm to his professional activities by making unsubstantiated claims that could scare off prospective clients.
It appears now that this protection has evaporated.
How do you know he does not have a THIRD name........? -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
"David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states" <wb8foz@wauug.erols.com> writes:
Peter Hendrickson sez:
At 11:00 AM 11/9/1996, Robert Hettinga wrote:
S. L. vonBernhardt, <mailto:unicorn@schloss.li>,...
Black Unicorn recently stated that had taken measures to shield his identity so that people would be unable to cause harm to his professional activities by making unsubstantiated claims that could scare off prospective clients.
It appears now that this protection has evaporated.
How do you know he does not have a THIRD name........?
I did some (very perfunctory searching in some engines and it seems that _von_ Bernhardt is an extremely unlikely name. I did find a guy named Rudolf Bernhardt who writes in international law, and a lawyer named Stephen Bernhardt in Hamburg (?I forgot I already :-). It sounds like another pseudonym. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
At 9:45 AM -0800 11/9/96, Peter Hendrickson wrote:
At 11:00 AM 11/9/1996, Robert Hettinga wrote:
S. L. vonBernhardt, <mailto:unicorn@schloss.li>,...
Black Unicorn recently stated that had taken measures to shield his identity so that people would be unable to cause harm to his professional activities by making unsubstantiated claims that could scare off prospective clients.
It appears now that this protection has evaporated. It will not be very hard in the future to put this information together with other statements people may make about Mr. Unicorn.
We are hardly operating in a hostile environment. Yet, somebody who has apparently gone to some effort to have an anonymous identity has been exposed. The implications of this are worth considering.
Careful about the passive construction "was exposed." I took the announcement, presumably based on his summary to R. Hettinga, and containing biographical information which he presumably supplied, to be an active decision by him to "come out of the closet." Exactly as you did, Peter, by breaking your silence of many months (based on your fears of a pogrom, as you admitted) and suddenly posting a large number of posts in one day. It would be misleading for us to say "Peter Hendrickson was exposed." You exposed yourself. As did S, L. vonBernhardt. Ditto for Lucky Green, who has revealed his True Name to various of us, and whose True Name could probably be deduced by anyone by spending a few minutes with Deja News or Alta Vista. --Tim May (not his real name) "The government announcement is disastrous," said Jim Bidzos,.."We warned IBM that the National Security Agency would try to twist their technology." [NYT, 1996-10-02] We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, On Sat, 9 Nov 1996, Peter Hendrickson wrote:
At 11:00 AM 11/9/1996, Robert Hettinga wrote:
S. L. vonBernhardt, <mailto:unicorn@schloss.li>,...
Black Unicorn recently stated that had taken measures to shield his identity...
It appears now that this protection has evaporated...
Appearances can be deceptive. S a n d y "Scholars have discovered that the /Illiad/ and the /Odyssey/ were not actually written by Homer, but by another ancient Greek who had the same name." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You are making several unspoken assumptions. One such assumption is that S.L. vonBernhardt is Uni's real name. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Member JPFO. "America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization" On Sat, 9 Nov 1996, Peter Hendrickson wrote:
At 11:00 AM 11/9/1996, Robert Hettinga wrote:
S. L. vonBernhardt, <mailto:unicorn@schloss.li>,...
Black Unicorn recently stated that had taken measures to shield his identity so that people would be unable to cause harm to his professional activities by making unsubstantiated claims that could scare off prospective clients.
It appears now that this protection has evaporated. It will not be very hard in the future to put this information together with other statements people may make about Mr. Unicorn.
We are hardly operating in a hostile environment. Yet, somebody who has apparently gone to some effort to have an anonymous identity has been exposed. The implications of this are worth considering.
Peter Hendrickson ph@netcom.com
At 12:45 pm -0500 11/9/96, Peter Hendrickson wrote:
We are hardly operating in a hostile environment. Yet, somebody who has apparently gone to some effort to have an anonymous identity has been exposed. The implications of this are worth considering.
Nope. Sorry, Pete. Hope you didn't throw out your sholder, swinging for the fences like that. ;-). The name "S. L. vonBernhardt" is just another pseudonym of Unicorn's, and as such, is just another level of redirection, in a rather, hrm, redirected, life, I would wager. For what it's worth, the DCSB speaker process is as follows: The speaker pings me and offers to speak. I say, "Cool. Send me a paragraph about yourself and another one about your talk, and I'll bounce it off the program committee." (The program committee is the first 6 or 7 people who said they wanted to speak when we started DCSB last year. It was my way of making them sing for their supper. They sing pretty well, given the caliber of speakers we've had. ;-).) So, Uni sends me his two paras, which I forward to the program committee, who do backflips, 'cause Uni's about an 11 on a 10-point "kewl" scale. And that's it. When blurb time comes for the talk, I copy and paste said two paras into a piece of boilerplate, tweak here and there, spam the planet, and voila!, a DCSB announcement blurb is history. Except of course when the speaker has been, er, loquacious, and his two paras require editing down, which, in Uni's case, he wasn't, so I didn't. Except his aside to me that "S. L. vonBernhardt" is Yet Another Pseudonym. In short, I sent out what Unicorn sent me. No skulduggerous efforts at outing him were attempted. You do have a nice swing, though. Next time, I'll put one over the plate where you can hit it. :-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/
On Sat, 9 Nov 1996, Peter Hendrickson wrote:
At 11:00 AM 11/9/1996, Robert Hettinga wrote:
S. L. vonBernhardt, <mailto:unicorn@schloss.li>,...
Black Unicorn recently stated that had taken measures to shield his identity so that people would be unable to cause harm to his professional activities by making unsubstantiated claims that could scare off prospective clients.
It appears now that this protection has evaporated. It will not be very hard in the future to put this information together with other statements people may make about Mr. Unicorn.
We are hardly operating in a hostile environment. Yet, somebody who has apparently gone to some effort to have an anonymous identity has been exposed. The implications of this are worth considering.
I'm sorry to disappoint you. Mr. Hettinga and I decided to put a more reasonable pseudonym in the blurb for those who might not be familiar with my list reputation.
Peter Hendrickson ph@netcom.com
-- Forward complaints to : European Association of Envelope Manufactures Finger for Public Key Gutenbergstrasse 21;Postfach;CH-3001;Bern Vote Monarchist Switzerland
S. L. vonBernhardt, <mailto:unicorn@schloss.li>,... Black Unicorn recently stated that had taken measures to shield his identity so that people would be unable to cause harm to his professional activities by making unsubstantiated claims
At 11:00 AM 11/9/1996, Robert Hettinga wrote: that could scare off prospective clients. It appears now that this protection has evaporated. It will not be very hard in the future to put this information together with other statements people may make about Mr. Unicorn. We are hardly operating in a hostile environment. Yet, somebody who has apparently gone to some effort to have an anonymous identity has been exposed. The implications of this are worth considering.
You, and others are assuming that S. L. von Bernhardt is his real name. Many many levels of deception are possible. Petro, Christopher C. petro@suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff> snow@smoke.suba.com
participants (11)
-
Alan Bostick -
Black Unicorn -
David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states -
dlv＠bwalk.dm.com -
Lucky Green -
ph＠netcom.com -
Rabid Wombat -
Robert Hettinga -
Sandy Sandfort -
snow -
Timothy C. May