Re: Reproductive Rights and State Benefits (fwd)
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From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@amaranth.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 97 20:10:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Reproductive Rights and State Benefits (fwd)
Well yes and no. Just because you are willing to give you liberty away does not mean that you have the right to give my liberty away.
Which is why we implimented a representative democracy in the first place.
That's why the Bill of Rights pre-empts any legislation done by Congress or the States.
It does? You are without a doubt reading a different Constitution and Bill of Rights than the one that I have. If you are making allusion to the 14th, it only extends to privileges and immunities. ARTICLE XIV. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2 to Section 5 deleted So you equate your right to religion as a immunity or a privilige? Me I take it as a right, something outside the legal purvue of the federal government. An immunity or privilige is something that can be taken away by the body granting it. Since the Constitution is a mandate from the people it follows clearly that the only body that can change that mandate is the people. If the state I live in has a constitution that allows it that is between me and my state and none of you or your states or the federal governments business. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Participation requires more than just bitching! | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage@ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|
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From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@amaranth.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 97 20:10:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Reproductive Rights and State Benefits (fwd)
Well yes and no. Just because you are willing to give you liberty away does not mean that you have the right to give my liberty away.
Which is why we implimented a representative democracy in the first place.
That's why the Bill of Rights pre-empts any legislation done by Congress or the States.
It does? You are without a doubt reading a different Constitution and Bill of Rights than the one that I have. If you are making allusion to the 14th, it only extends to privileges and immunities.
ARTICLE XIV.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2 to Section 5 deleted
So you equate your right to religion as a immunity or a privilige? Me I take it as a right, something outside the legal purvue of the federal government. An immunity or privilige is something that can be taken away by the body granting it. Since the Constitution is a mandate from the people it follows clearly that the only body that can change that mandate is the people. If the state I live in has a constitution that allows it that is between me and my state and none of you or your states or the federal governments business.
Well you are complicating the issue by assuming that we are in two different states. If you and I are citizens of the same State you do not have the right to deny me my rights protected under the Constitution of the United States of America regardless wether you are in the majority view or not. Of cource the laws of one State do not have power over another State. I do not consider the Bill of Rights as giving me "privileges" but giving me immunity from any government restricting those rights. Article. IV. Section. 2. Clause 1: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. Section. 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence. Article. VI. Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. I think that this clause more than any other shows exactly where the States stand. So long as a law passed by Congress is in accordance with the Constitution the States are obligated to obey such laws regardless of the Laws & Constitutions of the States. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM/+RlI9Co1n+aLhhAQG7KwP/S0oS1WcnvDANORpR6nRmevyDqlxNz2G9 +eInN6zhnR/8wocKDOYfmwN12WPt4/OhK/3nexdthM2RSCG0s7xELBABxKrjmWVU I3u3/g21Ys/CHMigc9M2beTBZNsCvBjn4e7FzpoRL3D/ZFB2aIMpBMHjcWPSNYaP KAuzLEUhmRk= =ytyQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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