Re: e$: The Book-Entry/Certificate Distinction
At 2:30 AM 8/22/95, Timothy C. May wrote:
(An important point is that in a cash economy, identity is almost irrelevant. It's only in non-cash, or "account-based," economy that True Names are demanded. Lots of interesting issues to discuss here, which I won't now.)
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Everyone trusts their transactions because of the difficulty of forging certificates. That means that once again, a certificate has it's own inherent worth. It speaks for itself, and when it changes hands, the trade is, as Eric Hughes says, "immediately and finally" cleared and settled. The overhead of keeping books is gone, at least for the trading parties, and especially for the clearing houses, who, like exchanges, just kind of disappear, along with any way to regulate them. Somewhere, Joe Kennedy, the first Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Comission, is probably either crying his eyes out or laughing his head off, depending on your interpretation of his role in regulatory history.
In such a system, where does credit come in? If I have a certificate that is worth X, then does the recipient know that it's from my "credit card"? How do I obtain credit, and in what form does it exist? Furthermore, how do we assess the value of real physical things in a system like this? -- Steven Weller <Windsor Consulting Group> +1 502 454 0054 (voice) OS-9 Consultancy and Software +1 502 451 5935 (fax) Finger for public key 00 02 3C 2F 83 76 D3 77 2A 95 E8 90 94 9A 9D 74 http://iglou.com/windsorgrp stevenw@iglou.com or realtime@well.sf.ca.us
Hello rah@shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga) and stevenw@iglou.com (Steven Weller) and cypherpunks@toad.com [certificates have their own inherent worth etc]
In such a system, where does credit come in? If I have a certificate that is worth X, then does the recipient know that it's from my "credit card"? How do I obtain credit, and in what form does it exist?
There's no reason for the recipient to know it's from your credit card. You simply obtain cash from your bank as a loan and then give it to the recipient. If you want to provide the convenience of CC (ie avoid having to go to the ATM first), you could allow wallets to communicate with the bank via the merchant's equipment, in effect building an ATM into every point-of-sale terminal. wallet via merchant to bank: withdraw X from account Y bank via merchant to wallet: here is X in e-cash wallet to merchant: here is X in e-cash If you do not wish the bank to know which merchant it was, you could send it via an anonymizing service or two.
Furthermore, how do we assess the value of real physical things in a system like this?
Well, same as in any other system: "how much are you willing to give me for this?" Jiri -- If you want an answer, please mail to <jirib@cs.monash.edu.au>. On sweeney, I may delete without reading! PGP 463A14D5 (but it's at home so it'll take a day or two)
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