Re: Liberating the Bits

Michael Stutz wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote:
Technology liberates the bits.
Copyright law is not only useless on the net but inefficient; one need only compare the performance of free, copylefted software versus proprietary, closed software to see which is better. But now it is possible to apply the same principle of copyleft to _all_ non-software information, too -- including text, images and music. I have done this myself with novels and albums of music, and have posted full instructions on how to apply this to non-software information at <http://dsl.org/copyleft/>.
Tim gave excellent information on how one can go about using technology to enjoy the fruits of other people's labour without contributing toward the survival of those producing the things he enjoys. (I, being more niggardly, will refuse to share a technique I developed for stealing money from a blind beggar's cup and candy from a child's Halloween bag.) Michael is right about technology and the InterNet now making it possible to circumvent the principle represented by copyright law. When I originally came up with the concept of BlackNet and anonymous remailers, I foresaw that my invention of Public Key Cryptography might help make it possible for ordinary people to reap the benefits of other peoples' ideas and hard work, without doing anything to contribute toward the survival of creative, productive people. Although a person *can* enjoy the product of other peoples' efforts without contributing toward the production of that product, the decision as to whether they *should* do so should not be taken lightly. I believe that we live in a predatorial universe and that everything we do involves some form of "eating" the life forms around us, whether we do so physically, emotionally, or mentally. Whether the process involves hunting what already exists, or growing new life forms by farming, our future quality of life will depend on the quality of resource management done by ourself and others. There is undoubtedly an increased cost for certain software, music albums, etc, because of the theft and coercion of the companies that dominate an industry (via bribes, collusion, political donations), but there is also a fixed cost that needs to be met for these products to continue existing and developing. There is also a minimum level of sustenance needed by those who produce the products we use, and if this is not met, then they cease producing those products. If you copy George Strait's albums without putting a few pennies in his pocket, it is not likely to inhibit his market enough to matter, but if you do the same with an album by a group who is living in a station-wagon between gigs, then you might find yourself wondering "What ever happened to 'Psychotic Losers'?" I bought Microsoft Word because I like the product and use it a lot. Other Microsoft programs that I use occassionally, I just grab a copy from someone else because it's not worth my while to pay big money for it and I don't want to waste my time and effort using a product which doesn't fit into their proprietary scheme. (I apply the same standards to stealing children's Halloween candy. I only steal from fat kids, and I don't take the whole bag. I want to make it worth their while to go trick-or-treating next year.) I can understand that Tim May wants to hang on to the mountain of cash that was made possible by his company's software copyrights, but I am surprised that he seems so boastful about denying others any compensation for their ideas, talent, and labour. The Internet seems to be moving proprietary software more toward a shareware/freeware attitude, since some companies are seeing the benefit of making their product widely available. An example is Microsoft making a file available for people without their product to read the documents produced with it. I suspect that the technology which allows most information to be set free from the bondage of copyright will lead to a more balanced playing field where it is harder for a company to keep their prices artificially high by virtue of market domination and political pull, but there will always remain a need for those who create and produce to receive compensation for doing so. There's something wrong when Janet Reno is not a felon under an increasing number of laws. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- TruthMonger #1 | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tm@dev.null 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "Reputation Capital isn't even a speed bump to Identity highway robbery."

I was interested to see the following headers in a posting to the net. It's _pretending_ to be from the now-defunct huge.cajones.com remailer, though it's in fact from Canada. =================== HEADERS ========= Return-Path: <owner-cypherpunks@cyberpass.net> Received: from sirius.infonex.com (sirius.infonex.com [206.170.114.2]) by ixmail8.ix.netcom.com (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA10170; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA28296 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA28278 for cypherpunks@infonex.com; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rigel.cyberpass.net (root@rigel.infonex.com [206.170.114.3]) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28270 for <cpunks@sirius.infonex.com>; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by rigel.cyberpass.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18801 for <cypherpunks@cyberpass.net>; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA08059 for cypherpunks-unedited-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wombat.sk.sympatico.ca (wombat.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.5.136]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08053 for <cypherpunks@toad.com>; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.sk.sympatico.ca (lohner48.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.98.48]) by wombat.sk.sympatico.ca with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA16117 for cypherpunks@toad.com; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:34:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199707022134.PAA16117@wombat.sk.sympatico.ca> Date: Wednesday, 02 Jul 97 15:37:06 EST To: cypherpunks@toad.com From: nobody@huge.cajones.com (BigNuts) X-Mailer: WinSock Remailer Version ALPHA1.3B X-Comments: - X-Comments: This message contains no headers. If you think you see X-Comments: something here, it's probably just the drugs kicking in. X-Comments: Ignore it... X-Comments: - X-Comments: This message is NOT from <president@whitehouse.gov>. X-Comments: It was remailed by an automated anonymous asshole. X-Comments: Send all complaints and requests for blocking to X-Comments: <DaveNull@dave.nul>. X-Comments: - X-Remailer-Setup: Maximum Message Size -- None X-Remailer-Setup: Reordering is OFF X-Remailer-Setup: News Posting DISABLED X-Remailer-Setup: Subject Header KEPT X-Remailer-Setup: Logging OFF X-Remailer-Setup: PGP and plaintext messages accepted Subject: Re: Liberating the Bits Sender: owner-cypherpunks@cyberpass.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nobody@huge.cajones.com (BigNuts) X-List: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net X-Loop: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net ======== END OF HEADERS ========== # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts@ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

BigNuts wrote: There is also a minimum level of sustenance needed by those who produce the products we use, and if this is not met, then they cease producing those products. If you copy George Strait's albums without putting a few pennies in his pocket, it is not likely to inhibit his market enough to matter, but if you do the same with an album by a group who is living in a station-wagon between gigs, then you might find yourself wondering "What ever happened to 'Psychotic Losers'?"
An alternative would be for the creators to publish their PK and the amount of money they get from the sale of each item. Then well-meaning theives can directly and anonymously send the artists ecash and sleep well at night knowing the artist and not the vermin are benefiting. --Steve PGP mail preferred Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 First ECache Corporation | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: azur@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- I know not what instruments others may use, but as for me, give me Ecache or give me debt. SHOW ME THE DIGITS!

On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, BigNuts wrote:
Michael Stutz wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote:
Technology liberates the bits.
Copyright law is not only useless on the net but inefficient; one need only compare the performance of free, copylefted software versus proprietary, ... Tim gave excellent information on how one can go about using technology to enjoy the fruits of other people's labour without contributing toward the survival of those producing the things he enjoys.
Or the same technology can restrict usage - strongly encrypted software that checks digitally signatured dates and stops upon expiration. If you don't want to honor the private contracts (licensing agreements where applicable), then something else will replace them. Maybe it will be free software (which does work better than commercial software, but doesn't always have the desired features). Maybe it will be the technonightmare. A great deal of evil can be committed, and the only difference is that now "government" as we know it will be unable to control it. Over 200 years ago, both the United States and France rid themselves of their monarchy. One ended in liberty, the other in anarchy, eventually reinstalling a coercive government. When the communists lost power in eastern europe, many died from not obeying the sensible traffic laws. I think it depends on how ethical the individual people will be when confronted by the anarchy of the internet. If I govern myself, I don't need big brother to do it. Might doesn't make right, it can only destroy and not create, and at best merely preserve the peace. Nor is it ethics in a pure, merely altruistic sense. I want Phil Zimmerman to be around and writing software. For that to happen, it is in my interest to contribute to him, either directly (PGP Inc. could be the PGP foundation), or indirectly. I want Linux to do certain things, so I write them, and because of the free software ethic, I add my work to the public pool - it would be more expensive to try selling it. But I make money by consulting and using the software that is available. Although I believe there is nothing new under the sun, the breakdown of a paternal/maternal enforcement entity called "government" will force a change in society. There will be a "new" ethical system, which is cause for both hope and fear.
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Bill Stewart
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nobody@huge.cajones.com
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Steve Schear
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tzeruch@ceddec.com