Is Dr Fred Cohen a Loon???
Trolling for Flames(just another anonymous poster destroying the 'net) :) The Subject says it all... I believe Fred suffers from a severely inflated ego and suffers from the "false expert" syndrome detailed by various self-help orgs... what say you fred?? Another anon poster destroying the integrity of the net
The Subject says it all... I believe Fred suffers from a severely inflated ego and suffers from the "false expert" syndrome detailed by various self-help orgs... what say you fred??
People who call me a "false expert" are so afraid of damaging their own reputation by doing so that they have to do it anonymously. -> See: Info-Sec Heaven at URL http://all.net/ Management Analytics - 216-686-0090 - PO Box 1480, Hudson, OH 44236
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The Subject says it all... I believe Fred suffers from a severely inflated ego and suffers from the "false expert" syndrome detailed by various self-help orgs... what say you fred??
People who call me a "false expert" are so afraid of damaging their own reputation by doing so that they have to do it anonymously.
OK, I'll do it. Fred, sometimes your pontifications make as little sense as you arrogantly signing "Dr. Fred Cohen" in your name field. - -- Ed Carp, N7EKG Ed.Carp@linux.org, ecarp@netcom.com 214/993-3935 voicemail/digital pager 800/558-3408 SkyPager Finger ecarp@netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744@anon.penet.fi "Past the wounds of childhood, past the fallen dreams and the broken families, through the hurt and the loss and the agony only the night ever hears, is a waiting soul. Patient, permanent, abundant, it opens its infinite heart and asks only one thing of you ... 'Remember who it is you really are.'" -- "Losing Your Mind", Karen Alexander and Rick Boyes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMOW5DCS9AwzY9LDxAQEF3QP/SjHSSva0F/aolc++yrQbL9Mk0V/Nnl60 mxUmDKJ2C8dH9D5EKwwPhgQ1kknp/90JGHztzjKJwG9jkPDixMa1vL3U4iRToy3v kQ9Ziwr5A/WwMS+6d0++54qMwMEgwVWdmbVJVzrB6VxSPqvVvlmw3t7keBnZGiRA 1dT7Rlq1HsY= =tm8l -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
The following comment has zero crypto relevance and should not be construed as an attack on and/or a defense of any particular net.personality: "Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin]" <erc@dal1820.computek.net> writes:
OK, I'll do it. Fred, sometimes your pontifications make as little sense as you arrogantly signing "Dr. Fred Cohen" in your name field.
Without commenting on the quality of anyone's contributions to this mailing list, let me remind you that Dr. Fred Cohen received his Ph.D. after writing a very innovative thesis on computer viruses, a classic in his field. He has every right to call himself "Dr." if he wants to. In my experience, people who get so hysterical when a Ph.D. calls himself or herself Dr. are invariably Ph.D. dropouts who wasted many years of their lives trying and failing to attain a Ph.D. and are bitterly envious of those who have succeeded. --- Dr. Dimitri Vulis Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
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The following comment has zero crypto relevance and should not be construed as an attack on and/or a defense of any particular net.personality:
"Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin]" <erc@dal1820.computek.net> writes:
OK, I'll do it. Fred, sometimes your pontifications make as little sense as you arrogantly signing "Dr. Fred Cohen" in your name field.
Without commenting on the quality of anyone's contributions to this mailing list, let me remind you that Dr. Fred Cohen received his Ph.D. after writing a very innovative thesis on computer viruses, a classic in his field. He has every right to call himself "Dr." if he wants to.
In my experience, people who get so hysterical when a Ph.D. calls himself or herself Dr. are invariably Ph.D. dropouts who wasted many years of their lives trying and failing to attain a Ph.D. and are bitterly envious of those who have succeeded.
Not at all -- but it's been *my* experience that people who rely on titles and degrees and such have very little else to recommend them. I am as unenvious of Mr. Cohen as I am of Bruce Schneier - and Bruce has a lot more of my respect. Just because someone writes a "very innovative thesis" on viruses doesn't mean they know diddly about anything else, especially cryptography. Where is Fred's paper? I've got Bruce's book on my shelf that I can read for myself and *that's* a classic in the field. When "I can read Fred's paper for myself, then I can judge the merits of his degree. Until then, I consider him no different than any other PhD whose gotten themselves a degree and become convinced that the doctorate entitles them to pontificate upon any and every subject under the sun as though they knew absolutely everything about any subject that happens to catch their fancy. Just remember - PhD means 'piled higher and deeper'. - -- Ed Carp, N7EKG Ed.Carp@linux.org, ecarp@netcom.com 214/993-3935 voicemail/digital pager 800/558-3408 SkyPager Finger ecarp@netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744@anon.penet.fi "Past the wounds of childhood, past the fallen dreams and the broken families, through the hurt and the loss and the agony only the night ever hears, is a waiting soul. Patient, permanent, abundant, it opens its infinite heart and asks only one thing of you ... 'Remember who it is you really are.'" -- "Losing Your Mind", Karen Alexander and Rick Boyes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMOXtjyS9AwzY9LDxAQFoZQQAiBsi6i3tGeY1oJ4bL4UJthdmsW77ZybC BPpdGBvGc8IyJo9V2uMCW5nU/4LJeX08IAKWS1pt4xTPrz4HlLEJXgAWVnPErTqj V9MXmI1QY79cmtd2MvJUoUNtq7O4fbD4Hg/ZRRdY3YNZvrlXlRRdbU6m01xSAxOR 4ApMv7cboz4= =DjDf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
"Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin]" <erc@dal1820.computek.net> writes: [yet another very long flame directed at Dr. Fred Cohen]
Just remember - PhD means 'piled higher and deeper'. - -- Ed Carp, N7EKG Ed.Carp@linux.org, ecarp@netcom.com 214/993-3935 voicemail/digital pager 800/558-3408 SkyPager Finger ecarp@netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744@anon.penet.fi ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I wonder why you put your anon.penet.fi address in your signature. There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation that I didn't think of :)
--- Dr. Dimitri Vulis Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
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"Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin]" <erc@dal1820.computek.net> writes: [yet another very long flame directed at Dr. Fred Cohen]
Well, it wasn't directed specifically at Fred...
Just remember - PhD means 'piled higher and deeper'.
Finger ecarp@netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744@anon.penet.fi
I wonder why you put your anon.penet.fi address in your signature. There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation that I didn't think of :)
Well, yes, there is. :) It's so that folks may correspond with me anonymously if they wish to do so. Some people don't want me knowing who they are.... - -- Ed Carp, N7EKG Ed.Carp@linux.org, ecarp@netcom.com 214/993-3935 voicemail/digital pager 800/558-3408 SkyPager Finger ecarp@netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744@anon.penet.fi "Past the wounds of childhood, past the fallen dreams and the broken families, through the hurt and the loss and the agony only the night ever hears, is a waiting soul. Patient, permanent, abundant, it opens its infinite heart and asks only one thing of you ... 'Remember who it is you really are.'" -- "Losing Your Mind", Karen Alexander and Rick Boyes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMOYbDyS9AwzY9LDxAQFMLAP/Z1Y6XkSBpX+EA/ooiOU5hfn4Sx0+pWH+ pe4SHGhS7B9iSqX55/3YNq16ZXeA/mBzqF0d9XiWUZa/Qs8u5MaFqID1BbHM65Bk DrhGcP5YDSDLykY1z7mzLw9ItHM35UUDvygk0M3CNcerEZZd5C29kfg3SkwgOh55 aFNE8vMbsbU= =LTOA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
"Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin]" <erc@dal1820.computek.net> writes:
I wonder why you put your anon.penet.fi address in your signature. There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation that I didn't think of :)
Well, yes, there is. :) It's so that folks may correspond with me anonymously if they wish to do so. Some people don't want me knowing who they are....
This is fascinating! Could you please explain (for the benefit of clueless Ph.D.'s like myself) how putting your anon id in your signature enables folks to send you anonymous e-mail, who couldn't do that before by e-mailing anon@anon.penet.fi and adding: X-Anon-To: erc@dal1820.computek.net (E-mailing erc%dal1820.computek.net@anon.penet.fi might work too.) I do see how it stops you from being anonymous when you post via that particular anon.penet.fi address, but that's a different issue. --- Dr. Dimitri Vulis Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
"Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin]" <erc@dal1820.computek.net> writes:
I wonder why you put your anon.penet.fi address in your signature. There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation that I didn't think of :)
Well, yes, there is. :) It's so that folks may correspond with me anonymously if they wish to do so. Some people don't want me knowing who they are....
This is fascinating! Could you please explain (for the benefit of clueless Ph.D.'s like myself) how putting your anon id in your signature enables folks to send you anonymous e-mail, who couldn't do that before by e-mailing anon@anon.penet.fi and adding: X-Anon-To: erc@dal1820.computek.net > I do see how it stops you from being anonymous when you post via that particular anon.penet.fi address, but that's a different issue.
Gee.. you would think a high and mighty Ph.D like yourself could do a little better then petty-bickering. Christopher
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Subject: Re: anon.penet addresses in .sigs To: cypherpunks@toad.com (Cypherpunks Mailing List) Dr. Dimitri Vulis writes:
This is fascinating! Could you please explain (for the benefit of clueless Ph.D.'s like myself) how putting your anon id in your signature enables folks to send you anonymous e-mail, who couldn't do that before by e-mailing anon@anon.penet.fi and adding:
X-Anon-To: erc@dal1820.computek.net
This issue (the penet address in Ed's .sig) has been covered on the list before. The next time around I think I'll write a short FAQ. The direct address is easier to use, especially for people whose mailers don't allow them to add arbitrary email headers. Note that the ratio of users of the various cypherpunk remailers to users of anon.penet is even lower than the S/N ratio on this list in December. In certain parts of Usenet, many people routinely advertise addresses at anon.penet (and similar services) in their .sigs (as Ed does) to make pseudonymized replies as convenient as possible. This is not a new phenomenon. Happy New Year ! Futplex <futplex@pseudonym.com> Brand new key, ID: 0x0F5470D9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMOZtGynaAKQPVHDZAQGijAf+Ivi2IklP1cJBhDb4/VTm0d0zd/kjJRhh 4BlGShGcQayfKP59jKFBUO/gbqFzjxsdCRuJcL5D7VXOOX4gjjWxqfKM6ora/nGx f3mr+DQO2VhhWrHcXqiURwWBknw37fGWQUMfq8DIVWgiVn5e2EkmTNwzyuY+wRm+ 30xddxfjN2R5eS/DLr9Ebg+VYLvcHQ3kOvbzhHk3ZVI1x21DlT3I/3u5828OB10p s3bpADToW1TbT1o7VrMvKtLla1CYBqJrGpSkPCCm0mG4Qx2UWDuWXr9Ej3m1fWVQ eQI0FFb6Qm+0mzVcQnexTtj+btrqPler5oQBiQmLMuWdohB0cOtRMw== =va+w -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
futplex@pseudonym.com (Futplex) writes:
The direct address is easier to use, especially for people whose mailers don't allow them to add arbitrary email headers. Note that the ratio of
I recall that anon.penet.fi can be used by those whose mailers don't allow them to add new headers -- the extra headers can be placed in at the top of the body and it'll recognize them. Likewise cypherpunk remailers let you add headers with ##. I've taught at least one extremely "non-technical" user to use the cypherpunks remailers successfully.
users of the various cypherpunk remailers to users of anon.penet is even lower than the S/N ratio on this list in December.
Like, negative????? :)
In certain parts of Usenet, many people routinely advertise addresses at anon.penet (and similar services) in their .sigs (as Ed does) to make pseudonymized replies as convenient as possible. This is not a new phenomenon
My question was "why". I think I see the answer now. Thank you. Happy New Year! --- Dr. Dimitri Vulis Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
The Subject says it all... I believe Fred suffers from a severely inflated ego and suffers from the "false expert" syndrome detailed by various self-help orgs... what say you fred??
People who call me a "false expert" are so afraid of damaging their own reputation by doing so that they have to do it anonymously.
Reguardless if it is said anonymously or not, the fact remains that you are a loon, and you couldn't get a clue if they gave them away in rice krispies boxes. As always, I encourage everyone reading this thread to not reply to it 'cuz it does nothing but encourage Freddy to post more jibberish.
-> See: Info-Sec Heaven at URL http://all.net/ Management Analytics - 216-686-0090 - PO Box 1480, Hudson, OH 44236
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