Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On July 8th, 1996 Herr Doctor Duvos wrote:
Medicating a disease is fine. Recreational uses of relatively harmless intoxicants and are also fine. It is the inappropriate use of strong medicines with serious side effects by clueless people for vague criteria like "reaching his or her potential" that I have a problem with.
I have a problem with people like Mike Duvos who think that folks like myself and others on this list with ADD use having ADD as a crutch for being fidgety, not getting their work done on time, or worst yet, Fired. I wish people like Mr. Duvos could walk a mile in my shoes before making off the cuff remarks, I wish I could get jobs done on time, I wish that I could finish one project before starting three more! My office looks like someone tossed a hand grenade in it, Proposals to the left, Job quotes to the right, jobs is various states of completion, Lost jobs to my inattentivness to my clients, Lost good clients because of having ADD and not knowing it! I wish I would have known about ADD eariler than now, I might not have been the complete fuck-up that I was in school, and worst than that, The nearly ten years after high school. One of my wishes did come true, and that was finding out that I do have ADD. Ritalin has been a godsend, I am able to dialin when I have to. Ritalin is not the only drug for treating ADD, Prozac works for some. There are times when I need the boundless energy to find time to be creative and I stop taking my meds, but its only for short periods, I remember all too well what I was like without knowing what the problem was with work, love, and life in general. Below is a list of famous people with Attention Deficit Disorders and/or Learning Disorders, and I'd be willing to bet that Perry Metzger either has, or knows someone with ADD. Albert Einstein, Galileo, Mozart, Wright Brothers, Leonardo da Vinci, Bruce Jenner, Tom Cruise, Charles Schwab, Henry Winkler, Danny Glover, Walt Disney, John Lennon, Winston Churchill, Henry Ford, Stephen Hawkings, Jules Verne, Alexander Graham Bell, Woodrow Wilson, Hans Christian Anderson,Beavis, Nelson Rockefeller, Thomas Edison, Gen. George Patton, Agatha Christie, John F. Kennedy, Whoopi Goldberg, Rodin, Thomas Thoreau, David H. Murdock, Dustin Hoffman, Pete Rose, Russell White, Jason Kidd, Russell Varian, Robin Williams, Louis Pasteur, Werner von Braun, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Robert Kennedy, alberto Tnmba Prince Charles, Gen. Westmoreland, Eddie Rickenbacker, Gregory Boyington, Harry Belafonte, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Steve McQueen, George C. Scott, Tom Smothers, Lindsay Wagner, George Bernard Shaw, Beethoven, Carl Lewis, Jackie Stewart, "Magic" Johnson, Weyerhauser family, Wrigley, John Corcoran. One can only wonder how much more great some of the people on this list would be today if they knew ADD back then. William Knowles erehwon@c2.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMeI+wgURbnwsNLz5AQHM6AP/Zln3eu50jKdhkER4Go3uBp0a4zlVUYti pW71AHLR8VydFaMM7iJFhYmv7vgFeuA1cAo27Hq1Pb8LZ/uucPRACKI8ku/XsVHh 9wdPsEKXMo0pHftnVHmuFb3dVtAA9jYKfGw3SwpktNkACQMvGHU2Z5+DkbetvSZm xrMSjCpxlvM= =ucXF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- William Knowles <erehwon@c2.org> PGP mail welcome & prefered / KeyID 1024/2C34BCF9 PGP Fingerprint 55 0C 78 3C C9 C4 44 DE 5A 3C B4 60 9C 00 FB BD Finger for public key --
On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, William Knowles wrote:
Below is a list of famous people with Attention Deficit Disorders and/or Learning Disorders, and I'd be willing to bet that Perry Metzger either has, or knows someone with ADD.
Albert Einstein, Galileo, Mozart, Wright Brothers, Leonardo da Vinci, Bruce Jenner, Tom Cruise, Charles Schwab, Henry Winkler, Danny Glover, Walt Disney, John Lennon, Winston Churchill, Henry Ford, Stephen Hawkings, Jules Verne, Alexander Graham Bell, Woodrow Wilson, Hans Christian Anderson,Beavis, Nelson Rockefeller, Thomas Edison, Gen. George Patton, Agatha Christie, John F. Kennedy, Whoopi Goldberg, Rodin, Thomas Thoreau, David H. Murdock, Dustin Hoffman, Pete Rose, Russell White, Jason Kidd, Russell Varian, Robin Williams, Louis Pasteur, Werner von Braun, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Robert Kennedy, alberto Tnmba Prince Charles, Gen. Westmoreland, Eddie Rickenbacker, Gregory Boyington, Harry Belafonte, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Steve McQueen, George C. Scott, Tom Smothers, Lindsay Wagner, George Bernard Shaw, Beethoven, Carl Lewis, Jackie Stewart, "Magic" Johnson, Weyerhauser family, Wrigley, John Corcoran.
Considering that most of these examples existed, even thrived before the existance of the medications being discussed, it would seem to me you just shot yourself in the foot with a rather large bore weapon. I'd also like to know how one diagnoses an entire family with a condition that is rarely, if ever, passed on genetically. Look, perhaps a certain medication has helped you. Fine. I'm sure alt.medication.advocacy will be interested. Even as this may be so, lumping all learning disabilities in with ADD (an overdiagnosed condition generally the result of second career housewives who to our collective misfortunes managed to get a master's in social work and read a few booklets on ink-blot testing and aquire a job at the local middle school by means not at all related to their intellectual capacity) is both a mistake, and misleading. So too is the implication that drips from your post that medications could have helped all the people you list above. If anything, the list indicates that the importance of medication is slight. And will someone please tell me how Leonardo da Vinci was diagnosed either with ADD or a Learning Disorder? Or why "Beavis" was included? I used to think Mr. Metzger was just being an old fuddie duddie when he complained about topicality. I keep looking around wondering if the list is being trolled. (Anyone else notice Mr. Duvos' username is "mpd"?)
One can only wonder how much more great some of the people on this list would be today if they knew ADD back then.
This is a list for discussing cryptography and the occasional political offshoots thereof. Given your post above, it's fairly clear that your medication has done little to keep your thoughts on track. So, your post is entirely off topic, and lacking in any logical support for what it is you proport to advocate. I would prefer an unmedicated Stephen Hawkings, thank you.
William Knowles <erehwon@c2.org> PGP mail welcome & prefered / KeyID 1024/2C34BCF9 PGP Fingerprint 55 0C 78 3C C9 C4 44 DE 5A 3C B4 60 9C 00 FB BD Finger for public key
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Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li> writes:
I keep looking around wondering if the list is being trolled. (Anyone else notice Mr. Duvos' username is "mpd"?)
Pretty obvious it's my initials, as opposed to one of the other thousand or so acronyms it collides with. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd@netcom.com $ via Finger. $
On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Mike Duvos wrote:
Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li> writes:
I keep looking around wondering if the list is being trolled. (Anyone else notice Mr. Duvos' username is "mpd"?)
Pretty obvious it's my initials, as opposed to one of the other thousand or so acronyms it collides with.
I wasn't touting conspiracy theories, just making what I thought was an amusing observation. My apologies to Mr. Duvos. I didn't at all mean to suggest he was in any way responsible for this silliness, rather to point out the degree to which the conversation has sunk into the sewer. -- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn@schloss.li
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