Re: A vote of confidence for Sandy
At 10:16 PM 1/10/97 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote:
At 8:19 PM -0800 1/10/97, Lucky Green wrote:
Just for the record, I have volunteered to serve as a co-moderator. I do not know at this time if my services will be required. I am certain that I would not enjoy this job. I have better things to do than moderate Cypherpunks. But as a long time subscriber, I care about the list.
AMEN (as a short time subscriber).
If you need me as a moderator (if you need me, you are getting very desperate), I will help. However, I am going out of the country in two weeks not to return until March 9, so stepping forward now is a bit silly.
Let me rant a bit about the "ideal" moderation structure. Igor Chudov's software lets people like Matt Blase and Bruce Schneier post whatever they want. (I would add people like Black Unicorn as well. YMMV)
Yes. Igor's STUMP software seems like the way to go. The vast majority of posters to this list are not a problem. Discussions amongst them may get heated, but they have basic human decency and never even come close to the level of abuse and bigotry we have seen from Vulis, aga, et al. Igor claims that on lists moderated by STUMP, 95% of the people are pre-approved. I believe it. Because 95% of the posters are not a problem. It is a small part of the other 5% that fuck things up. I second Sandy and John's proposal to moderate Cypherpunks. I propose we use Igor's STUMP software for this purpose, iff it performs as claimed. [Does STUMP have a web interface?] Thanks, -- Lucky Green mailto:shamrock@netcom.com PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm
Lucky Green wrote:
Igor claims that on lists moderated by STUMP, 95% of the people are
Lucky, I think that 95% figure is a bit high. I hope I did not claim it:), at least STUMP home page gives a more conservative number of 80%. For scrm, the number may be higher than that, but I would not guarantee 95% for every other newsgroup or mailing list. The variable that this number depends on is the preapproval policy. For example, in the windows 95 newsgroup where STUMP is used, their criteria for preapproval is very strict -- they require 5 successive approved posts to get a poster preapproved. That will inevitably result in more work for moderators, but heck, that's what they want. I would normally expect this number to settle around 85-90% eventually, but 80% is the low ballpark figure. Attached below is STUMP's automatic periodic report about SCRM. It shows that the rate for SCRM is about 88%.
pre-approved. I believe it. Because 95% of the posters are not a problem. It is a small part of the other 5% that fuck things up. I second Sandy and John's proposal to moderate Cypherpunks. I propose we use Igor's STUMP software for this purpose, iff it performs as claimed.
[Does STUMP have a web interface?]
Yes, look at Modscape at STUMP's home page (go there from
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov). Now it works under linux,
but can be ported to other unices (and possibly windoze also).
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