Re: Does John Gilmore...
At 11:11 ìì 16/11/1996 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
C'punks,
On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, George A. Stathis wrote:
What worries me is that people still subscribe to the cypherpunks list after this assault on free speech takes place.
So I guess we won't be seeing George around here any more (or did he just me OTHER people should unsubscribe?).
Rest assured that... I am not subscribed to your list anyway. Maybe I allowed 5 or 6 messages to reach you, since the 'recipients' contained your list in the first place. It's part of *your* attempt (AFTER Dimitri's expulsion) to "have the last word". :-) - NOT mine! :-) Perhapds I'd subscribe to your list if serious discussions on... crypography take place, which would enable me to better... protect my own software by some kind of encryption. But I decided to lower my prices and publish (my dictionaries) unprotected anyway! :-) As regards 'PGP'... I don't give a damn anymore who reads my mail, since I got used to infringements of privacy anyway (since my childhood days in a dictatorship). In any case, It is not my style to 'hinder other people's discussions'. And if a list contains more than 1000 people INDIFFERENT to Freedom of Speech, it's not AT ALL 'my' kind of list anyway... :-)
...I would gladly write articles on Dimitri's expulsion and the facade of Free Speech in mailing lists etc.,...But since I have no time, it's likely someone else will report this.
What was that from Thomas Paine about summer soldiers and sunshine patriots? Three cheers for George and his commitment to "Free Speech." I know I'm impressed.
Aha! aha! aha! :-) You are on the verge on "taking the piss out of" (even) Thomas Paine! How has it happened that you are so determined in your anti-Vulistic zeal, so as to sacrifice even what the rest of the World admires in your country? I always liked Americans for their support of Individual Rights, their Constitution, Jefferson and Thomas Paine, things like that... Well, if you want all these reasons to vanish in thin air, good luck in your next... forcible unsubscriptions! :-) <shrug> George P.S. I have heard cynical Americans before, being 'sarcastic' against selfless supporters of Free Speech. A lot of you people can't even imagine a selfless cause without financial gain. Such is the... Mafia world of... pimping and prostitution, I suppose... :-) (-joke!) ROTFL
On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, George A. Stathis wrote: [...]
As regards 'PGP'... I don't give a damn anymore who reads my mail, since I got used to infringements of privacy anyway (since my childhood days in a dictatorship).
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P.S. I have heard cynical Americans before, being 'sarcastic' against selfless supporters of Free Speech. A lot of you people can't even imagine a selfless cause without financial gain. Such is the... Mafia world of... pimping and prostitution, I suppose... :-) (-joke!) ROTFL
The problem with people too used to dictatorships is that they grow so accustomed to taking those favors and incentives which are dictated to them that the freedom (and responsibility) of "financial gain" seem like too much work. Much easier to just work for food. "The all-knowing General Pinoriega would have given us money if we needed it." Of course the result is an increased dependence on the state. Market economies which approach true "free market" status provide no foothold for regulation. You cannot really have one without the other. (Note the coming backlash against free speech and free markets in the United States). The free market will ever be the only real path to free speech, because, in essence, it is free speech. Free speech does not, however, require that all speech be universally broadcast to each and every citizen on the planet free of charge. That's "subsidized speech." Consider long and hard if that is the path that you would like to take. -- Forward complaints to : European Association of Envelope Manufactures Finger for Public Key Gutenbergstrasse 21;Postfach;CH-3001;Bern Vote Monarchist Switzerland
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