At 8:33 PM 7/21/94 -0700, James A. Donald wrote:

All existing substitutes are either insecure (credit cards) or involve excessive labor and transaction costs.

Electronic transactions will take off like a rocket once they *undercut* existing methods.

As yet, our mail encryption interface is still bad. Convenient crypto cash must come after convenient crypto mail.

Chaum's going to do a full-blown internet demo real soon now, but the topic of this thread (faxed account, ABA#, etc) is being done right now, right out of the box. There are the various "net.malls" on the net out with secure mosaic credit card transactions. A guy just said he made his first sale (encrypted receipts and all) and we pooh-poohed him 'cause he didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. (We gotta be nicer to these guys, maybe???) To mutate what I said in the previous post in this thread, 85% of the people will settle for 75% privacy. If there's something to buy, and they can do an honest transaction and get the stuff they buy without being ripped off, then they probably don't care who's looking over their shoulder. Privacy will probably never be a selling point. Privacy will probably be an outflow of the need for e$, not vice versa. At this point I may have a quasi-religeous faith that the key to the adoption of e$ is that e$ reduces transaction costs, but we don't have any data to back it up. As someone who's been thrashing this a little bit, I've gotten stuck on exactly how to "*undercut*" the transaction costs of existing methods. Got any ideas? Are those transaction costs as a percentage of total cost meaningful enough to embue digital cash with the rocket-like competitive advantage we hope for? I don't have answers to these questions. I challenge you to come up with that analysis without a working system to benchmark your assumptions against. Mr. Solman, who seems to have pre-announced an agent based system with e$ "ticks" like in telescript, has my devoted interest at this point, but until there's some actual data, we're only speculating. BTW, I agree with you that Crypto mail isn't convenient. I still don't use PGP because it's way too much trouble to screw around with, and I bet doughnuts to dollars (Perry can hold the stakes. He's a wagering man ;-)...) that the Mac PGP I have is easier to mess with than any version on any other machine. <MacBigotMode(off)> But, as I said above, you don't need secure email to move e$ around. Secure mosaic will do just fine. I used email in the section you quoted because it's the simplest protocol conceptually, and I'm sorry you got tripped up in it. Light dawns on Marblehead. (Massachusetts joke). Isn't the point of digital cash that you *can* send it through unsecure mail and buy things? Perry, I want my bag of doughnuts back. No need to have a "mine is better than yours" bet after all. I really should just go to sleep now... Good Night, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com) "There is no difference between someone Shipwright Development Corporation who eats too little and sees Heaven and 44 Farquhar Street someone who drinks too much and sees Boston, MA 02331 USA snakes." -- Bertrand Russell (617) 323-7923