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attila

17 Dec 2003 17 Dec '03

11:17 p.m.

On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Declan McCullagh forwarded from TIME:

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... The revolution will not be televised -- at least not in Afghanistan. The Taliban government today banned TV, and gave Afghans 15 days to get rid of all sets and VCRs. After that, if the organization's enforcers find one in your house, it will be destroyed and you will be punished. ...

sounds good to me; I've raised 5 children who know how to _read_. I've never owned a television, never saw the need to bring cancer into the home. TV could have been one of the greatest educational tools in the existence of mankind --and, what is it? nothing more than bread and circus for the mass, a tool for social reoganization and the destruction of the family. babysitter? momma's little helper? not really; a creator of a vast unthinking social wasteland --which, of course, fits the policy goals of Hillay's Global Village where everybody is just another butterscotch pudding to her recipe. __________________________________________________________________________ go not unto usenet for advice, for the inhabitants thereof will say: yes, and no, and maybe, and I don't know, and fuck-off. _________________________________________________________________ attila__

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Eric Murray

17 Dec 17 Dec

11:17 p.m.

New subject: FC: Forget Internet restrictions -- how about banning TV?

attila writes:

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On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Declan McCullagh forwarded from TIME:

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... The revolution will not be televised -- at least not in Afghanistan. The Taliban government today banned TV, and gave Afghans 15 days to get rid of all sets and VCRs. After that, if the organization's enforcers find one in your house, it will be destroyed and you will be punished. ...

sounds good to me; I've raised 5 children who know how to _read_.

[rant against tv deleted] While I agree that TV is a brain-sucking void, banning any form of dissemination of information is a Bad Thing and a sign of serious government oppression. First the came for the TV sets, and I didn't say anything because TV is merely bread and circuses for the masses. Then they came for my radio, and I didn't complain because I can't get Rush very good anyhow. Then they came for the newspaper, and that really pissed me off, so I wanted to protest. I wanted my protest to get a lot of exposure, so I went to call the TV and radio stations but they don't exist any more.

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policy goals of Hillay's Global Village where everybody is just another butterscotch pudding to her recipe.

I'd rather be dealing with Hillary than the Talliban. -- Eric Murray Chief Security Scientist N*Able Technologies www.nabletech.com (email: ericm at lne.com or nabletech.com) PGP keyid:E03F65E5

mgraffam＠mhv.net

11:17 p.m.

New subject: FC: Forget Internet restrictions -- how about banning TV?

On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, attila wrote:

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On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Declan McCullagh forwarded from TIME:

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... The revolution will not be televised -- at least not in Afghanistan. The Taliban government today banned TV, and gave Afghans 15 days to get rid of all sets and VCRs. After that, if the organization's enforcers find one in your house, it will be destroyed and you will be punished. ...

sounds good to me; I've raised 5 children who know how to _read_.

I've never owned a television, never saw the need to bring cancer into the home. TV could have been one of the greatest educational tools in the existence of mankind --and, what is it? nothing more than bread and circus for the mass, a tool for social reoganization and the destruction of the family.

I suspect one day someone will be saying something similar about the net. I have a small TV and cable, which sits a few feet away from my computer. If I could, I'd just fly around the country going to Mets and Yankees games.. and of course during the "slow season" I can always go to football games. TV is what you make of it. I suppose if a kid sits in a room by himself and vegges out in front of it, it does more harm than good.. on the other hand, when you're 15 years old and can't talk to your dad about much because its just that time in life, I'd be willing to bet baseball or sports is still neutral enough territory. I don't see much wrong with crowding around the idiot box as a family or group, if it gives people something to talk about. Politics and religion can be fun now and then, but we all get weary of fighting the same battles. Sure, lots of TV is garbage.. but hell.. look around.. a whole lot of the net is too. It isn't TV's fault, and it isn't the net.. the reason why so many things suck is because we made them. More often than not, we're the garbage. hmm.. I had hoped this message might be uplifting. Guess not. Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam@mhv.net) http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc Be a munitions trafficker: http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/rsa-keygen.html #!/bin/perl -sp0777i

attila

11:17 p.m.

New subject: FC: Forget Internet restrictions -- how about banning TV?

On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Eric Murray wrote:

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Then they came for the newspaper, and that really pissed me off, so I wanted to protest. I wanted my protest to get a lot of exposure, so I went to call the TV and radio stations but they don't exist any more.

point duly noted. however, TV as a degenerative (self eating watermelon) force is an option --which I took by refusing it the privilege of its one eyed stare. never owned one as the fraction of worthwhile programming is overwhelmed by mind-fuck.

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policy goals of Hillay's Global Village where everybody is just another butterscotch pudding to her recipe.

I'd rather be dealing with Hillary than the Talliban.

by all means. Hillary is an unprincipled, amoral automan who expects her comforts. the Talliban/Taleban/or_however_whichever_network_spells_it is religious fanaticism; no worse than the Catholic Inquisition I would expect, but that's not saying much. Hillary can be beaten back into her cage... Taleban fanaticism ends only with their death(s). There is no safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be. ________________________________________________________________attila__

William H. Geiger III

11:17 p.m.

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Hillary can be beaten back into her cage... Taleban fanaticism ends only with their death(s).

Yes, but more importantly: Is there a bag limit? - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: OS/2: Windows with bullet-proof glass. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNaWJx49Co1n+aLhhAQFqhQP/QudW4N6LjfI1gbIdQ852BG17R8xhhe3f mLpBzL3jmTndNbp80Gve4MOLi5Nu73j1G/FANPK5qPmmG0CIs03emgV0gpe0ow3s wrel8TcUV4ugFc5SjQd9qEpZt+4DOrYnhk7oHEQFZJeW/QSfpRRSdYGMWN51dMlf 66BNE01a9QI= =k2kr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

attila

11:17 p.m.

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On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote:

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In , on 07/09/98 at 09:47 PM, attila said:

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Hillary can be beaten back into her cage... Taleban fanaticism ends only with their death(s).

Yes, but more importantly: Is there a bag limit?

bag limit? heavens, no! in fact, the last I heard there was a $5/ear bounty. and someone else told me they, like lawyers, taste "just like chicken" --bok-bok-- __________________________________________________________________________ go not unto usenet for advice, for the inhabitants thereof will say: yes, and no, and maybe, and I don't know, and fuck-off. _________________________________________________________________ attila__

? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}

11:17 p.m.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, attila wrote:

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On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Eric Murray wrote:

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Then they came for the newspaper, and that really pissed me off, so I wanted to protest.

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point duly noted. however, TV as a degenerative (self eating watermelon) force is an option --which I took by refusing it the privilege of its one eyed stare.

However you have the right to choose not to watch TV, and we have the right to watch TV. Its not weather TV is good or bad, but do we have the ablity to make that decistion on our own. Indeed if I wish to do something that is degenerative and self-destructive I should be allowed to. - -- Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia see the url in my header. Never trust a country with more peaple then sheep. ex-net.scum and proud You Say To People "Throw Off Your Chains" And They Make New Chains For Themselves? --Terry Pratchett. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNaXwk6QK0ynCmdStAQFFDQQA0JH1omnj/kAsjG9y8pADYpwSfwXs0CvR 10LvVcplpHz4XECKmnvzkccT8zG1qBpyDAHH5QFfpwbO6RG0Ig5E9JvEFHMY5aLG z0WYq3hEATH07ivaVADTa+H/9dI0k9nJxFc8i1jFDNpDm8JR8o3aF7tSP0F/uja1 3osAe406fNY= =ZBGz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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