-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jeremiah Blatz writes:

I may very well be completly wrong here, but IMO there is no place for politics on this list. Cryptography, by its very nature, is an anti-political thing.

I disagree here - politics is what makes Cypherpunks different from a sci.crypt mailing list. As Eric Hughes points out, cryptography is economics - and politics is economics with the gloves off. Crypto is inherently political. ("political" doesn't have to mean liberals - v. - conservatives.)

All politicians who try in increase the power of government are against the cypherpunk agenda of increasing the use of encryption, it doesn't matter what party they belong to.

Be careful the way you use the word "agenda", you're gonna get Detweiler all worked up again. I don't think there is one agenda shared by all list subscribers. As I see it, "cypherpunks" follows the Earth First! model of (dis/anti) organization - there are no leaders, there is no "policy", there is no voting, there is no platform. There are folks who do what they choose to do, and putting a name on it makes it easier to talk about. Myself, I'm not so wound up about getting everyone on the planet to use crypto as I am interested in making sure we all can if we want/need to; and that's mostly useful insofar as it more clearly delineates a boundary to the power/ability of the state.

This discussion is simply a bunch of messages that bait people with different political alignments than the sender's, please take it elsewhere.

I do agree that baiting and flaming are useless. The list is interesting because it's where folks with different interests/talents/orientations intersect, not where we diverge. Our differences and disagreements are significant but they can also distract us from shared goals. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLZ34an3YhjZY3fMNAQF9xQQAgAJp7WXDmZre7mKMQpNZUOGQsc/bMTlw BD7xtXO12cbpIh4bgCt2N9ekogCBwrC9+y8ll0rL/rJ9UyuCkpgurrTElSROot8R umN+l5ENRiZKG3VeAE+FbbYIzQfMV4FBN1VaOQsRldMBPwbA0pRgJ8BsjFvSC//R lWf2xtUtkCc= =DYQ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----