Re: New crypto regulations
From: Mike McNally
solman@MIT.EDU wrote:
The government's claim is that in the interests of national security, export of cryptography must be prevented. By limiting the policy's applicability to media which are in, or can easily be converted to, electronic form ...
Does anybody seriously believe that nbody writing these policies has an understanding of OCR software? An on-line form of code printed in a book is just a quick trip to a scanner away. They know that.
The regs, as Lucky pointed out, do hint at restrictions on OCR fonts in the future. However this is obviously doomed since as OCR technology advances the distinction between OCR and non-OCR fonts will vanish. I imagine that a special purpose character recognition engine could be built to work on any known, monospaced font, as is typically used for source code. In this light, the explicit exemption for printed materials is really quite welcome. It has never been 100% clear that a book of source code is exportable. Yes, we've had some favorable court cases recently but none of these have been fully resolved. Rumors were posted here that the NSA came very close to trying to stop the export of the original PGP source code book from MIT Press (and supposedly arranged for MIT to be punished later for its audacity). Having all sides agree that crypto source code can be exported in printed form is an important step in the right direction. We can still contest the issue of restrictions on machine readable exports. In an era where electronic publishing is becoming as important as paper publishing for expressing ideas, we can continue to push to extend the exemption to machine-readable images of the pages of the book, and later to actual source files. Hal
Hal Finney sez:
In this light, the explicit exemption for printed materials is really quite welcome. It has never been 100% clear that a book of source code is exportable. Yes, we've had some favorable court cases recently but none of these have been fully resolved. Rumors were posted here that the NSA came very close to trying to stop the export of the original PGP source code book from MIT Press (and supposedly arranged for MIT to be punished later for its audacity).
My uncharitable side says that is because they wanted to stay as far away from cries of "book-banning" as they could. If nothing else, IN THAT NARROW CASE, reason prevailed over fervor. And I caution against thinking in terms of "NSA did" in favor of "Under FBI pressure, NSA did" just to remind ourselves where the real battle lies..... -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Hal Finney wrote:
From: Mike McNally
solman@MIT.EDU wrote:
The government's claim is that in the interests of national security, export of cryptography must be prevented. By limiting the policy's applicability to media which are in, or can easily be converted to, electronic form ...
Does anybody seriously believe that nbody writing these policies has an understanding of OCR software? An on-line form of code printed in a book is just a quick trip to a scanner away. They know that.
The regs, as Lucky pointed out, do hint at restrictions on OCR fonts in the future. However this is obviously doomed since as OCR technology advances the distinction between OCR and non-OCR fonts will vanish. I imagine that a special purpose character recognition engine could be built to work on any known, monospaced font, as is typically used for source code.
In this light, the explicit exemption for printed materials is really quite welcome. It has never been 100% clear that a book of source code is exportable. Yes, we've had some favorable court cases recently but none of these have been fully resolved. Rumors were posted here that the NSA came very close to trying to stop the export of the original PGP source code book from MIT Press (and supposedly arranged for MIT to be punished later for its audacity).
Having all sides agree that crypto source code can be exported in printed form is an important step in the right direction. We can still contest the issue of restrictions on machine readable exports. In an era where electronic publishing is becoming as important as paper publishing for expressing ideas, we can continue to push to extend the exemption to machine-readable images of the pages of the book, and later to actual source files.
Hal
To hell with it, lets just send it over a modem and claim its Analog not electronic transfer. If MA-Bell (or sibling) wants to change it from Analog to Digital for overseas transfer then THEY can go after MA-Bell. Then if we can't do that then we would not even be allowed to discuss cryptography (code) verbally as it all gets transformed to electrons now anyway. Can we discuss cryptography code verbally(using sound waves)? What is the difference between me reading(using sound waves) code line by line to John Doe versus having my computer(using sound waves) communicating to John Does's computer,Tape Recorder(high quality), or his well atuned ear which understands MODEMese (or was that MODEMonics)? Oh well, it was a good 20 second(or was that 2 second) thought, but I don't think it'll hold up in court :) Is anyone geting tired of Uncle Sam (or is that Uncle BAN)taking away the freedoms that we have fought so hard for, and are trying to give to all these third world countries such as Bosnia(Oh hell did I mention something about politcs, Oops)? -- Mark Johnson Network Project Manager St. Mary's Regional Med Ctr mark@hercules.reno.nv.us
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David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states -
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Mark Johnson