This will truly be my final remark, as this subject is hardly pertinent to the forum but has nontheless provoked some interesting discussion. I am repeatedly told that I am a right-wing religious paranoid, have fascist fantasies about government, and that overall I am a moron. While I have difficulty refuting the third claim :), it is unfair to make accusations 1 and 2 about me without any knowledge about who I am and where I stand on societal issues. What has never been mentioned is the fact that none of this subliminal stuff has seriously been studied. People (perry, woodhead, et al.) talk about how unscientific, absurd, etc. this topic is, all the while ignoring their (and my) ignorance about the subject and using studies as scientific proof, which is a contradiction unto itself, as well as unnamed first-hand sources "inside" the industry while not identifying their position. Whereas they would rather let it be buried for ideological reasons, I would prefer the subject to be explored in the open scientific community, opening it the pressure of scientific scrutiny. My reasons as follows: I have read books and seen, first-hand, experiments on the nature of behavior control. Until you have seen people turned into automata you cannot appreciate what the experience gives to you as a human being: perspective. I would not want to be controlled by _any_ power, be it government, sibling, or economy. If there is a chance that there are means by which I can be controlled _without my knowledge_, I want to be aware of the methodry of such attacks. Is that paranoid? Quite possibly. Cautious and intelligent? Perhaps. Perhaps there are those on this forum who would prefer to let sleeping dogs lie and let corporations run free over people instead of the government? But I cannot speak for people, and I would prefer it next time I respond to a message that the response is not a list of those "words put into my mouth," as this discussion turned out to be. You may call me names, you may ignore me, but the fact is the subject remains as it is. The matter has not been closed. -Alex Reynolds ---------------------- Paranoid ranter supreme, eight-ball and nine-ball specialist, and part-time anarchist and computer lab proctor. ---------------------- Chrome@jhunix,jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu