Re: What is the EFF doing exactly?
If anyone objects the officals responsible make a wide gesture and say "We didn't take away your phones, CRIMINALS took away your phones."
Indeed. It appears the Unabomber has taken away the privelege of dropping stamped mail weighing over 16ozs into street-side mailboxes. One is now instructed to take these packages to a post-office mail clerk for mailing. (Of course it's unclear just what would be done if a package weighing over that magical 16ozs was left in a mailbox)
The real question is this, what are you going to do to anihilate anonymous communication, because if you think its harmful that's what you have to do.
What strikes me as odd is that the arguments against anonymous communication are nearly identical to those against strong crypto. ie. the same four horsemen flare up in these discussions. Yet we have parties who are ostensibly pro-crypto but anti-anonymity. To put it in a nutshell, in a free society I can have a private conversation, but I must essentially announce that I am having one and who I am having that conversation with? Do you believe the benefits of privacy outweigh the costs? Do you feel the same about cryptography and believe it to be an essential tool to advance the privacy of individuals? Then you _must_ be an advocate of anonymity and anonymous communications. Privacy as a right and a reality does not exist without the capability for anonymity. me -------------------------------------------------------------- Omegaman <mailto:omega@bigeasy.com> PGP Key fingerprint = 6D 31 C3 00 77 8C D1 C2 59 0A 01 E3 AF 81 94 63 Send a message with the text "get key" in the "Subject:" field to get a copy of my public key. --------------------------------------------------------------
One is now instructed to take these packages to a post-office mail clerk for mailing.
(Of course it's unclear just what would be done if a package weighing over that magical 16ozs was left in a mailbox)
They get sent back. Was in line @ USPS. Guy showed up with 40-odd Priority Mail Packages that had come back. Clerk stamped each one & off they went. 1) It was obvious from conversation the customer was a local. 2) The hand cancel stamp is TRIVIAL to forge. After all, until now, who has WANTED to falsely zero-out the value of her stamps? -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
David Lesher <wb8foz@nrk.com> writes:
One is now instructed to take these packages to a post-office mail clerk for mailing.
(Of course it's unclear just what would be done if a package weighing over that magical 16ozs was left in a mailbox)
They get sent back.
What happens if there is no return address, or the return address is in another state? Do they throw out the package? Do they open it? Do they have a bomb squad destroy it (could get expensive if a lot of 16 oz packages are incorrectly mailed).
Ah, but we all know, now, how to send a package with a miscellaneous device in it -- return address is the company. And we certainly know how to do likewise if we ever want to do anything postal. But I make peace. -Millie sfuze@tiac.net On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, David Lesher wrote:
One is now instructed to take these packages to a post-office mail clerk for mailing.
(Of course it's unclear just what would be done if a package weighing over that magical 16ozs was left in a mailbox)
They get sent back.
Was in line @ USPS. Guy showed up with 40-odd Priority Mail Packages that had come back. Clerk stamped each one & off they went.
1) It was obvious from conversation the customer was a local.
2) The hand cancel stamp is TRIVIAL to forge. After all, until now, who has WANTED to falsely zero-out the value of her stamps?
-- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
The Unabomber used his intended victim's address for the return address on several if his mail bombs, and then used insufficient postage on them to ensure that they would be "returned to sender." It would seem that the same tactic could be used now, if packages over 16oz are "sent back." How are we any safer now?
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