-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 09:31 AM 2/5/96 -0600, Karl Ike wrote:

Attila: I'm not in the business of running or hiding. I'm just an average, everyday working guy that doesn't like credit reporting agencies, what they stand for or what they do for money. I didn't say that I was going to do this. I just had the idea! I don't have the knowledge or the money to spend. That doesn't mean that there is someone out there that would jump at the idea.

I just don't like the idea that these assholes know more about me than my mother and sell my private and personal information to anyone for big bucks. My credit is fine, just ask my banker or better yet, my mom.

I am assumming that you know far more people on the internet since I have only been on for a month and have done three e-mail. I'm just suggesting to get the idea out and someone will take the ball and run. Yes, they will be a hunted man, but not a US citizen. Someone out there with a laptop and a cellular, living on a cruise ship, just may enjoy the idea.

Just me, Karl

Well Karl, It seems I missed your idea/solution in this post, however, some of us figured this out some years ago... I begin a campaign almost 10 years ago of feeding the computers false information about myself. I never use the Social Insecurity Number assigned to me... I don't even give it to the Bank. This makes for some rather dicey situations. I rarely use my real name or give out my real phone number. At this point in my life... I have *NO* credit history. I currently have *NO* bank account. My goal is to be completely invisible to the system. Yes I have had a few glitches in this plan from time to time... but I continue to work on it. I just have never felt warm and fuzzy knowing that any government agency, business, or whoever can get my personal information off a computer could come knock on my door some dark night. If you're interested in fortifying your privacy, I can give you a few pointers. 1.) Go to your local DMV and inform them you've had a change of address. I selected a high rise apartment building with 15 floors and selected an address on a non-existant 23rd floor. Getting your Driver's License address changed should cost less than $10.00. 2.) Go find a company like "Mail Boxes Etc." and rent a mailbox. The cost is nominal compared to the added privacy and security. The distinction between a mailbox and a Post Office Box is with a mailbox you have an actual street address. You can receive deliveries from UPS and Federal Express at a mailbox. You can't at a P.O. Box. 3.) This part requires some skill... befriending a graphic artist is a good idea for this one. But what you need is a phony work identification. Pick a name! A couple of "Pass Port Photos" and some lamination and you're good to go. 4.) Take your new persona down to your local utility companies and get the serv- ice switched to the name of your new persona. Even get your phone switched and have the number non-published. You'll be pleasantly surprised from now on, everytime your phone rings, it will be someone you really want to talk to. 5.) Go down to your local Post Office and file a change of address form. Use the address of your mailbox. Remember, most companies that provide Mailbox service, will need to see your drivers license... which of course now has a non-existant address on it. You can take this as far as you want... Just doing these 5 things will give you a sense of comfort and security you've probably not had in a long time. How does this fit into cyperpunks and encryption? The philosophy is the same! What good is it encrypting your messages to ensure your privacy when everything else is exposed! It's a lot like an Ostrich burying his head in the sand to hide, but leaving all his good parts exposed! Benjamin T. Moore, Jr. btmoore@iquest.net (Jian #AJF IRChat) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMRlexoSAJOVFNaChAQFBCQf8Drm04x2YT5gZb8cklwep1eBVKxOMyVzn /ZN3Tk+lKT05CAT0TCmHm+8oztqxWhgjMklYT228C5u4zvaF8ZrYvLxMp7RQPHvK D2fSKdMGMs+pPvJxPUC5UXssoIsBS0W+i4dO5jDIj/MkXM4JFHsDHvFqr9Q7FqwE Xr75lHjiNP4Gcv06WkVpJewJMaflP5zcrSam577/fbbCkYM6e4nhQPGdqdi83txM hzvCs8cHalPa9UJGuSbIZObe1fAUkQMsVqEomXe5HuBzukJigwdqj4IK9SJixTVx m0Fxf/W74j4lS1TXpqjCQoSD4EPRAleCYR6SFbqV/p0/cMYqv6kErA== =4HYS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----