Kirtland Air Force Base
Saturday 5/30/98 5:15 PM J Orlin Grabbe Masanori Fushimi Orline just saw Spies Turn to High Tech Info Ops both at at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ and http://www.jya.com/crypto.htm Friday at noon, after Lunch with Morales, I ventured onto Kirtland AFB through the Wyoming gate. In order to get into the National Atomic Museum I had to produce 1 Drivers license 2 proper car registration 3 proof of insurance. The airman who was to check 1,2,and 3 was busy on the phone. The airman was reading serial numbers on a bullet-proof vest. I asked the airman who THEY were afraid of. The airman responded, 1 gangs 2 militias The airman quipped that while he was unlucky enough to lose on a lottery ticket, he might be unfortunate enough to take bullet. Therefore, the airman said he was wearing a bullet-proof vest, even in about 90F weather. I went to the museum and bought two FIRST ATOMIC BOMBARDMENT, 50th ANNIVERSARY refrigerator magnets, like the one I sent to John Young. I mailed the one to Orlin, but I have the one for Masanori pasted on the side on one of my computers. Masanori, the book Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz presents fairly good evidence some in US government nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki merely to impress the Russians. Unfortunately, as we can see by the current government crypto debacle, overall intellect of the US government has not improved much since 1945. And maybe has decreased. Masanori, one positive side of the unfortunate matter is that LOTS MORE people are reading your scientific papers. http://av.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=gfsr&hc=0&hs=0 LetÂ’s all, of course, hope for settlement of these regrettable matters. Later and, of course, Allahu akbar bill
Hi all, bill payne wrote:
Saturday 5/30/98 5:15 PM
Masanori, the book Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz presents fairly good evidence some in US government nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki merely to impress the Russians.
Carroll Quigley said in Tragedy and Hope... they were worried the war would be over with before they got their chance to use it! Doris
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <35732427.ECA43EB9@idt.net>, on 06/01/98 at 05:59 PM, Doris Woods <dorisaw@idt.net> said:
Hi all,
bill payne wrote:
Saturday 5/30/98 5:15 PM
Masanori, the book Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz presents fairly good evidence some in US government nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki merely to impress the Russians.
Carroll Quigley said in Tragedy and Hope... they were worried the war would be over with before they got their chance to use it!
Was this before or after they estimated that it would cost upwards of 1 Million lives to take the Japan mainland by conventional forces? - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: I went window shopping...and bought OS/2! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNXMx849Co1n+aLhhAQEF/QP/Xz/1vWT108GyHjPe77raaL8JQRcfMa7N fwhcVkQcNMfwMlpEJC3F9eiEk5jpSD5papD3HA8Q7pSDX0vS5L7j7w9d2Xwc1vc/ +uEuZzGUqat5F4P0Iv2/KKPLDHgL/bL+2TkcyyLKkxj0e/IQQWCHIlirDXhY3zz2 TkJqXCgY9Mg= =a01s -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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In <35732427.ECA43EB9@idt.net>, on 06/01/98 at 05:59 PM, Doris Woods <dorisaw@idt.net> said:
Hi all,
bill payne wrote:
Saturday 5/30/98 5:15 PM
Masanori, the book Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz presents fairly good evidence some in US government nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki merely to impress the Russians.
Carroll Quigley said in Tragedy and Hope... they were worried the war would be over with before they got their chance to use it!
Was this before or after they estimated that it would cost upwards of 1 Million lives to take the Japan mainland by conventional forces?
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Well... a Leo Szilard web site ( How do you say it? Say sil'-ahrd.) has an article where he is interviewed titled _Leo Szilard, Interview: President Truman Did Not Understand_ http://www.peak.org/~danneng/decision/usnews.html "After all, Japan was suing for peace." "Today I would say that the confusion arose from considering the fake alternatives of either having to invade Japan or of having to use the bomb against her cities." I admit I only followed a link from Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe titled... _Target Committee Meeting, Los Alamos, May 10-11, 1945_ to get to that particular story. Of more particular interest to myself is the shipment of 65% uranium oxide, sent from the Belgian Congo, in 1939-40. 1250 tons were sent to Staten Island, NY, by Edward Sengier of Union Miniere, to prevent the Axis powers from obtaining it. p 852. It is a _good_ book. I enjoyed it. Doris Woods
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