Who has made the strongest case _against_ anonymity on the Net that you have ever heard? Someone intelligent and theoretical rather than trapped in some child porn or commerce pov. Thanks, Rod R o d e r i c k S i m p s o n rod@wired.com A s s o c i a t e P r o d u c e r T h e H o t W i r e d N e t w o r k www.braintennis.com www.wiredsource.com
At 2:06 pm -0500 11/20/96, Roderick Simpson wrote:
Who has made the strongest case _against_ anonymity on the Net that you have ever heard? Someone intelligent and theoretical rather than trapped in some child porn or commerce pov.
Actually, the "commerce pov" will probably be the one which kills all arguments for anonymity. digital bearer certificates, like digital cash, are always going to be cheaper than book entries. Bearer certificates are the ultimate economic argument for anonymity. We just couldn't implement them until Chaum figured out how. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Robert Hettinga wrote:
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:07:35 -0500 From: Robert Hettinga <rah@shipwright.com> To: Roderick Simpson <rod@wired.com>, cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Re: Anon
At 2:06 pm -0500 11/20/96, Roderick Simpson wrote:
Who has made the strongest case _against_ anonymity on the Net that you have ever heard? Someone intelligent and theoretical rather than trapped in some child porn or commerce pov.
Actually, the "commerce pov" will probably be the one which kills all arguments for anonymity. digital bearer certificates, like digital cash, are always going to be cheaper than book entries.
Bearer certificates are the ultimate economic argument for anonymity. We just couldn't implement them until Chaum figured out how.
Wait... I didn't catch the above. Which is a pro-anonymity and which a con-anonymity argument?
Cheers, Bob Hettinga
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At 10:31 pm -0500 11/20/96, Black Unicorn wrote:
Actually, the "commerce pov" will probably be the one which kills all arguments for anonymity. digital bearer certificates, like digital cash, ^^^ Oops. Belay that. "against" goes here...
are always going to be cheaper than book entries.
Bearer certificates are the ultimate economic argument for anonymity. We just couldn't implement them until Chaum figured out how.
Wait... I didn't catch the above.
Which is a pro-anonymity and which a con-anonymity argument?
Sorry about that... Emily Latella, RIP Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/
Roderick Simpson wrote:
Who has made the strongest case _against_ anonymity on the Net that you have ever heard? Someone intelligent and theoretical rather than trapped in some child porn or commerce pov.
I don't know - they didn't give a name. Lyal
Thanks, Rod
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Roderick Simpson wrote:
Who has made the strongest case _against_ anonymity on the Net that you have ever heard? Someone intelligent and theoretical rather than trapped in some child porn or commerce pov.
For a summary of some arguments made by Justice Scalia and others see http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/oceanno.htm#xtocid58313 A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | U. Miami School of Law | froomkin@law.miami.edu P.O. Box 248087 | http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | It's warm here.
rod@wired.com (Roderick Simpson) writes:
Who has made the strongest case _against_ anonymity on the Net that you have ever heard? Someone intelligent and theoretical rather than trapped in some child porn or commerce pov.
Cypherpunks themselves are opposed to complete anonymity. They insist on being able to track down and silence whoever (ab)uses the remailers to distribute homophobic or otherwise politically incorrect traffic. Just search the archives for their advocacy of "identify escrow". --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 21:46:36 EST From: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv@bwalk.dm.com> To: cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Re: Anon
rod@wired.com (Roderick Simpson) writes:
Who has made the strongest case _against_ anonymity on the Net that you have ever heard? Someone intelligent and theoretical rather than trapped in some child porn or commerce pov.
Cypherpunks themselves are opposed to complete anonymity. They insist on being able to track down and silence whoever (ab)uses the remailers to distribute homophobic or otherwise politically incorrect traffic. Just search the archives for their advocacy of "identify escrow".
Actually, this is false. We (if I may speak for "us") don't care who the spamer is, as long as they shut up.
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