From the perspective of many on this list, it's wrong to abdicate from

From: Hal We have as much responsibility as Milgram to consider the likely results if we succeed. It will be a different world, and, we hope, a better one. But some things will be worse, of that there is little doubt. We must constantly weigh the bad against the good and take actions on that basis, rather than blindly and unthinkingly seeking to push the envelope just to see what happens. ......................................................... I was thinking that perhaps Phil Zimmerman is under "fire" at this time because the powers-that-be have concluded that he pushed the envelope of liberty to an unacceptable degree; that he has been categorized by them as having taken a "bad" action without forethought in regard of the adverse consequences which will befall society, if everyone is in full possession of their very own secret code. Reading what Hal said earlier about PhilZ's qualities of character, I was thinking - if this is the kind of person whom they would define as a criminal, that his actions would be considered irresponsible and damaging, then it makes sense that from their perspective he should be subjected to investigation and prosecution (persecution?). Were their concerns based on the fact that he has introduced a dangerous tool into the "herd"? Was it that he had overstepped the boundaries of the authority allowed to him as a citizen unit? Was it that they feel threatened by what he represents to them in the kind of person he is (not respecting of their authority), or by the situation which was created when he made available his software to all? I'm examining the perspective from which one makes conclusions about human actions per se; how decisions about which actions to take depend upon how one interprets the situation. This discussion originally developed from the question of whether humans have herd instincts and whether this explains their behavior in the face of "authority". In a herd, the bovines don't have much room to see beyond the next cow, and it would be difficult to see why those in front will go in one direction or another, but it would be easy to follow along based on the presumption that the ones at the front who have the better view will also know why what direction to take better than those stuck somewhere in the middle. This experiment was a contrived fabrication, an 'experiment'. The information available about it was mostly limited to what the researcher provided, and some exaggerated behavior from the actors (I guess it was mostly sound?). I expect that the test subjects believed that the 'tortured ones' were in consent to being subjected to the supposed suffering with which they were being inflicted (right?), unlike a real circumstance wherein the torture would have been repelled and the participants would have had no cause to deliver it. In real life, there must be cause for behavior - things must make sense to the person who is interpreting the situation and making decisions about what to do. personal responsibility even under stressful circumstances; on the other hand, the above example presents good argument for authoritative types who think it is necessary to lead people around by the nose because otherwise, it is claimed, they will not be able to make good moral decisions when left to their own devices (or Phil Zimmerman's devices). That they should be subject to an external authority because they cannot be trusted to know when to accept responsibility. Blanc