Re: Is Tim May guilty of illegally advocating revolution?
Tim May writes:
At 11:33 PM -0700 11/29/97, Bill Stewart wrote:
As for the case of May vs. Reno, 99 US 666 (1999) (:-), I've never heard Tim call for the violent overthrow of the US government. He's called for a far more dangerous method of getting rid of it (rendering it obsolete and letting the public catch on at their own speed), and he's also expressed the position that if a bunch of black-hooded thugs invade his house some night he'll defend himself first and not worry about checking their bodies for stinkin' badges or designer logos on their backs until the bullets stop flying.
Not guilty.
An almost complete summary of my stance.
But Bill left out the third leg of my tripod, that I expect to wake up some morning and learn that some major city, perhaps Washington, D.C. has been nuked or bugged.
You've both forgotton the fourth leg of the tripod, the one where Tim May calls for the governor of Florida to be shot (along with other officials). Governor Chiles' capital crime? He refused to allow California wine to be sold in Florida. On Fri, 9 May 1997, Tim May wrote:
Chiles and his co-conspirators should be shot for high crimes against the Constitution. After Clinton, Freeh, Kerrey, and the other traitors.
Everyone likes to overlook this, pretending that May didn't mean it. Well, he never withdrew it, did he? He never apologized for it. He's on the record as explicitly calling for the murder of high officials. And of course May further revealed his true colors with this horror, from the same message:
Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right thing. Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all that.
May's apologists have tried to pretend that he didn't say this, that he said that he was beginning to understand McVeigh, or something. That's not what he says here. He says he is becoming convinced that McVeigh did the right thing in murdering all those people. He callously compares the shattered bodies of the children and other innocent victims to broken eggshells. Monty Cantsin has provided us a moving description of the painful deaths of the children in Waco. Will dying of asphyxiation under pressure too great even to draw a breath be any easier? Again, you will search the archives in vain to find any apology for this, any withdrawal. May hides behind the words of others, as he does above, hoping that their softened interpretations will make people forget the plain facts about what he wrote. If Tim May does not agree with the quotes above, let him say so now.
At 11:25 AM -0700 12/1/97, Anonymous wrote:
You've both forgotton the fourth leg of the tripod, the one where Tim May calls for the governor of Florida to be shot (along with other officials). Governor Chiles' capital crime? He refused to allow California wine to be sold in Florida. On Fri, 9 May 1997, Tim May wrote:
Chiles and his co-conspirators should be shot for high crimes against the Constitution. After Clinton, Freeh, Kerrey, and the other traitors.
Everyone likes to overlook this, pretending that May didn't mean it. Well, he never withdrew it, did he? He never apologized for it. He's on the record as explicitly calling for the murder of high officials.
Withdraw it? Apologize for it? I am free to call for the execution of anyone I damned well wish. OJ, McVeigh, the English nanny, Lawton Chiles, and so on. The First Amendment doesn't contain exceptions for such things. Sen. Jesse Helms was not prosecuted, nor even sanctioned by the Senate, for saying that if President Clinton ever visits Georgia he'd better be wearing a bulletproof vest. Face it, Anonymous, free speech means just that. Short of directly threatening the President or his family, or issuing direct (credible, proximate) threats to judges and perhaps some others, we as Americans are free to call for OJ to be taken out and have his throat cut, figuratively speaking, to call for trials for various criminals (including political criminals), and to speculate as we wish about whether the OKC bombing was a good thing or not. Get used to it, Anonymous, as it's the law. (More wimp simp jabbering elided....)
Again, you will search the archives in vain to find any apology for this, any withdrawal. May hides behind the words of others, as he does above, hoping that their softened interpretations will make people forget the plain facts about what he wrote.
If Tim May does not agree with the quotes above, let him say so now.
Maybe I don't "withdraw" comments or "apologize" for them because I don't do either. Ever think of that, Anonymous halfwit? (Anonymity has certain aspects, good and bad. I notice, though, that an inordinate number of my critics are using "Anonymous." Probably just one frustrated do-gooder who can't stand the tenor of the list, but chooses to remain anonymous out of simpering fear.) I mean what I say and I say what I mean. Get used to it. Or leave, even better. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
You've both forgotton the fourth leg of the tripod, the one where Tim May calls for the governor of Florida to be shot (along with other officials). Governor Chiles' capital crime? He refused to allow California wine to be sold in Florida.
You claim that restricting free trade by force is not a capital crime?
Chiles and his co-conspirators should be shot for high crimes against the Constitution. After Clinton, Freeh, Kerrey, and the other traitors.
Everyone likes to overlook this, pretending that May didn't mean it. Well, he never withdrew it, did he? He never apologized for it. He's on the record as explicitly calling for the murder of high officials.
I don`t overlook this, and I think you`ll find a number of list members, along with Tim himself fully support the statement made. These traitors should be shot, neither Tim, nor anyone else has claimed he did not say that, and I, for one, agree. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul@crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul@cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"
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