Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM. I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office (1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM. Other info: Mail sent to Jim (not by me) since his request for books has been returned twice that I know about Books sent to Kitsap County jail, where he was first incarcerated, was returned marked "Not in Jail." After this an inquiry to the court was made about Jim's location (not by me) and it was learned that he had been transferred to Federal Detention Center at SeaTac, WA. A letter sent there recently was returned unopened, marked "Return to Writer." The court docket today at 8:00PM does not list his relocation nor the new sentencing date. However, entries usually appear a day or so after an action: http://jya.com/jimbell-dock3.htm Perhaps one of our legal subscribers could comment on what's going on with these repeated delays in sentencing, especially whether it's common to do so after a plea agreement is reached. Now, scuttlebutt: a person at a Seattle legal document service told me today that another case is coming up similar to Jim's that also alleges "intimidation of IRS officials." Whether that relates to delays in Jim's case is a mystery inside an enigma.
At 8:16 PM -0700 11/21/97, John Young wrote:
Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM. I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office (1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM.
Thanks, John. Hey, if they keep delaying his sentence, they can give him a longer sentence than the supposed crimes warrant.... The fucking criminal system is fucking criminal. Amerika. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
Looks like Jim has been sentenced to 10 years without the right to correspondence. To those who do not understand the cultural connotations of this phrase, I will explain. During Stalin's purges around 1937, a lot of people were arrested and nothing could be found out about them -- not even when they were held. Their relatives were later notified that the prisoners were sentenced to 10 years without the right to correspondence. That was an euphemism for being executed. I would not be surprized if Jim committed a "suicide". With the advance of modern psychology and psychotropic drugs, that could even be a true suicide, done without physical assistance of Jim's captors. Or Jim might suddenly die of "heart attack". In fact, I am willing to bet 40 cents against a dollar that Jim will notg et out of jail alive. igor John Young wrote:
Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM. I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office (1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM.
Other info:
Mail sent to Jim (not by me) since his request for books has been returned twice that I know about
Books sent to Kitsap County jail, where he was first incarcerated, was returned marked "Not in Jail."
After this an inquiry to the court was made about Jim's location (not by me) and it was learned that he had been transferred to Federal Detention Center at SeaTac, WA. A letter sent there recently was returned unopened, marked "Return to Writer."
The court docket today at 8:00PM does not list his relocation nor the new sentencing date. However, entries usually appear a day or so after an action:
http://jya.com/jimbell-dock3.htm
Perhaps one of our legal subscribers could comment on what's going on with these repeated delays in sentencing, especially whether it's common to do so after a plea agreement is reached.
Now, scuttlebutt: a person at a Seattle legal document service told me today that another case is coming up similar to Jim's that also alleges "intimidation of IRS officials." Whether that relates to delays in Jim's case is a mystery inside an enigma.
- Igor.
Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
Looks like Jim has been sentenced to 10 years without the right to correspondence.
To those who do not understand the cultural connotations of this phrase, I will explain. During Stalin's purges around 1937...
Fucking wonderful... As Robert Heidegger explains to us that everything is 'roses, roses' and that predictions of 'doom and gloom' are ludicrous, Igor begins emerging as the Chief CypherPunks SpokesPerson, based on his knowledge of the Stalin era and its accompanying atrocities. I *love* this prison camp! TruthMonger
a lot of people were arrested and nothing could be found out about them -- not even when they were held. Their relatives were later notified that the prisoners were sentenced to 10 years without the right to correspondence.
That was an euphemism for being executed.
I would not be surprized if Jim committed a "suicide". With the advance of modern psychology and psychotropic drugs, that could even be a true suicide, done without physical assistance of Jim's captors.
Or Jim might suddenly die of "heart attack".
In fact, I am willing to bet 40 cents against a dollar that Jim will notg et out of jail alive.
igor
John Young wrote:
Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM. I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office (1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM.
Other info:
Mail sent to Jim (not by me) since his request for books has been returned twice that I know about
Books sent to Kitsap County jail, where he was first incarcerated, was returned marked "Not in Jail."
After this an inquiry to the court was made about Jim's location (not by me) and it was learned that he had been transferred to Federal Detention Center at SeaTac, WA. A letter sent there recently was returned unopened, marked "Return to Writer."
The court docket today at 8:00PM does not list his relocation nor the new sentencing date. However, entries usually appear a day or so after an action:
http://jya.com/jimbell-dock3.htm
Perhaps one of our legal subscribers could comment on what's going on with these repeated delays in sentencing, especially whether it's common to do so after a plea agreement is reached.
Now, scuttlebutt: a person at a Seattle legal document service told me today that another case is coming up similar to Jim's that also alleges "intimidation of IRS officials." Whether that relates to delays in Jim's case is a mystery inside an enigma.
- Igor.
so saith ichudov@algebra.com ...
Looks like Jim has been sentenced to 10 years without the right to correspondence.
To those who do not understand the cultural connotations of this phrase, I will explain. During Stalin's purges around 1937, a lot of people were arrested and nothing could be found out about them -- not even when they were held. Their relatives were later notified that the prisoners were sentenced to 10 years without the right to correspondence.
the parallels between modern america and just about an other totalitarian regime to date are hitting frighteningly close to home. I remember when I was told about the horrors of the nazi and russian children turning their parents in for whatever the state considered to not be proper. now we have D.A.R.E. i doubt such things are mentioned in public schools anymore.
That was an euphemism for being executed.
I would not be surprized if Jim committed a "suicide". With the advance of modern psychology and psychotropic drugs, that could even be a true suicide, done without physical assistance of Jim's captors.
you mean he would be fosterized? ------------------------ Name: amp E-mail: amp@pobox.com Date: 11/22/97 Time: 08:33:20 Visit me at http://www.pobox.com/~amp == -export-a-crypto-system-sig -RSA-3-lines-PERL #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) == 'Drug Trafficking Offense' is the root passphrase to the Constitution. Have you seen http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum ------------------------
amp@pobox.com wrote:
the parallels between modern america and just about an other totalitarian regime to date are hitting frighteningly close to home.
I remember when I was told about the horrors of the nazi and russian children turning their parents in for whatever the state considered to not be proper. now we have D.A.R.E.
You know, I have been thinking about it for a long time. My conclusion was that the government was not truly totalitarian in the strict sense of this world. It is the people's minds that turn more and more to totalitarianism, submissiveness, blind belief to what they are told, and so on. - Igor.
amp@pobox.com writes:
so saith ichudov@algebra.com ...
Looks like Jim has been sentenced to 10 years without the right to correspondence.
To those who do not understand the cultural connotations of this phrase, I will explain. During Stalin's purges around 1937, a lot of people were arrested and nothing could be found out about them -- not even when they were held. Their relatives were later notified that the prisoners were sentenced to 10 years without the right to correspondence.
the parallels between modern america and just about an other totalitarian regime to date are hitting frighteningly close to home.
I remember when I was told about the horrors of the nazi and russian children turning their parents in for whatever the state considered to not be proper. now we have D.A.R.E.
i doubt such things are mentioned in public schools anymore.
I mentioned in a private e-mail to Igor that the though of "10 years w/o correspondence" occured to me too. That what a great-grandfather of mine got. As for DARE, it reminds me of the great Soviet hero - Pavlik (Paul) Morozov, a 13-year-old boy who grew up in a small village in the northern Ural mountains. One day the Soviets decided to force all the peasants to join a collective farm by confiscating their food and causing an artificial famine[1]. Pavlik's father buried some grain hoping to feed hid family. Pavlik squealed on his father, who was shot. Pavlik's grandfather later killed Pavlik with an axe. The Soviets then shot the grandfather and a bunch of other villagers, and made Pavlik a great hero worthy of emulation by all Soviet children. [1] Interesting enough, anyone in the U.S. who expressed the opinion in the 1930's that there's a famine going on in Russia, or that the public confessions made at the show trials might be questionable, was branded a fascist by the new York Times crowd and was likely to lose his job. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
At 10:16 PM 11/21/97 -0500, John Young wrote:
Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM. I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office (1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM. [...] Perhaps one of our legal subscribers could comment on what's going on with these repeated delays in sentencing, especially whether it's common to do so after a plea agreement is reached.
It strikes me as peculiar/unusual; perhaps there's a list subscriber with more experience on the Federal criminal side to offer a different perspective. The factor that strikes me as especially peculiar is that there haven't been motions from either the defense or the prosecution in support of these postponements; they've simply been entered as orders from the court. (I haven't seen a docket entry for this latest postponement, perhaps it's different.) If the defense saw it as in their interests to delay sentencing, ordinarily I'd expect to see a motion from the defense for each postponement, wherein the defense would explain why they're not prepared to move forward. Similarly, were the prosecution unprepared (perhaps the probation department hasn't finished the presentence report), I'd expect to see a motion to that effect .. and it'd be very unusual for either side to succeed in gaining three postponements. Either side can probably expect one as a matter of courtesy, perhaps a second if there's a really good reason .. but three is unusual, especially without a motion & affidavit to explain why. I'm starting to favor the explanation which suggests that Jim will be testifying at the trial(s) or before grand juries in other matters - and that his sentencing is postponed to ensure his cooperation, and that the defense isn't squealing about the successive postponements because that's seen as more favorable than receiving a sentence of many, many months in the event of noncooperation. I'm reluctant to finger anyone as a "snitch" without knowing more - and this is all speculation - but something looks funny about what's happening thus far. (It's also possible that he's physically/mentally incapacitated such that he's not able to participate in his sentencing, which would explain why the court would be postponing on its own initiative, and why the defense isn't opposing the continuance.) I guess I don't really see a good (or uncomplicated) reason for these postponements - if Jim were out of custody, it wouldn't be surprising for him to attempt to drag the out-of-custody presentence period on for some time. But when a defendant is in custody, they're likely to get more immediate/focused attention from their attorney, and courts are less likely to enter a continuance. The prosecution doesn't need to do a lot of extra work to prepare for sentencing, and the probation department has had a lot of time to work up the presentence report. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles@netbox.com | Export jobs, not crypto. http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | http://www.parrhesia.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 10:23 PM 11/21/97 -0700, Tim May wrote:
I now regret any "help" I provided him in adding crypto and digital cash to his plans. (When I first came into contact with him, he had utterly zero knowledge of how crypto worked, and how it could ultimately be used. His "wonderful idea" was cheesy, built on nothing but hot air. But once certain ideas were explained to him, his system became actually workable, albeit not actually extant.)
I expect an arrest of several of us, on typically trumped-up RICO-type charges. Mere speech has become criminalized, through vague, speculative, conspiracy charges.
I wonder if Jim remembers the e-mail I sent him requesting a complete description of his AP scheme, and if "they" have me on a list of people to be watched or something because of that. I can't seem to find his reply, though--I think I may have deleted it when I uninstalled an ancient mail program about a year ago. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQA/AwUBNHcNC8JF0kXqpw3MEQKG4ACgqocnzb3DtMWMlEIyca343byt0EoAn3zb G/EOjOfZS+6FB3H6AKQig8W2 =dQEw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Jonathan Wienke PGP Key Fingerprints: 7484 2FB7 7588 ACD1 3A8F 778A 7407 2928 3312 6597 8258 9A9E D9FA 4878 C245 D245 EAA7 0DCC "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams "Stupidity is the one arena of of human achievement where most people fulfill their potential." -- Jonathan Wienke Never sign a contract that contains the phrase "first-born child." RSA export-o-matic: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`
At 11:03 PM -0700 11/21/97, Greg Broiles wrote:
I'm starting to favor the explanation which suggests that Jim will be testifying at the trial(s) or before grand juries in other matters - and that his sentencing is postponed to ensure his cooperation, and that the defense isn't squealing about the successive postponements because that's seen as more favorable than receiving a sentence of many, many months in the event of noncooperation. I'm reluctant to finger anyone as a "snitch"
This is what I fear, too. I now regret any "help" I provided him in adding crypto and digital cash to his plans. (When I first came into contact with him, he had utterly zero knowledge of how crypto worked, and how it could ultimately be used. His "wonderful idea" was cheesy, built on nothing but hot air. But once certain ideas were explained to him, his system became actually workable, albeit not actually extant.) I expect an arrest of several of us, on typically trumped-up RICO-type charges. Mere speech has become criminalized, through vague, speculative, conspiracy charges. Fuck them. If it's war they want... Lock and load, --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
Tim May wrote:
At 11:03 PM -0700 11/21/97, Greg Broiles wrote:
I'm starting to favor the explanation which suggests that Jim will be testifying at the trial(s) or before grand juries in other matters - and that his sentencing is postponed to ensure his cooperation, and that the defense isn't squealing about the successive postponements because that's seen as more favorable than receiving a sentence of many, many months in the event of noncooperation. I'm reluctant to finger anyone as a "snitch"
This is what I fear, too.
I now regret any "help" I provided him in adding crypto and digital cash to his plans. (When I first came into contact with him, he had utterly zero knowledge of how crypto worked, and how it could ultimately be used. His "wonderful idea" was cheesy, built on nothing but hot air. But once certain ideas were explained to him, his system became actually workable, albeit not actually extant.)
I wish I provided Jim Bell with assistance. Jim Bell is cool. Aside from all that, expecting a person NOT to break in the hands of skilled mind-breakers is unreasonable. 90% of us would break. The worst thing to prisoners is hope. - Igor.
At 9:49 AM -0700 11/22/97, Jonathan Wienke wrote:
I wonder if Jim remembers the e-mail I sent him requesting a complete description of his AP scheme, and if "they" have me on a list of people to be watched or something because of that. I can't seem to find his reply, though--I think I may have deleted it when I uninstalled an ancient mail program about a year ago.
Sounds like destruction of evidence to me.... Maybe if you turn state's evidence now, like Fortier did, you won't be charged in the main "assassination politics" indictment. In fact, if you can get list members to elaborate in more detail on how untraceable murder markets work, with some stuff about digital cash thrown in, I expect you might even get _paid_ as an informant. The several-times delayed sentencing, with no protests from Bell's court-appointed lawyer, tells me the Feds are trying to get some final details lined up. And they wonder why some people are holding their own trials of these criminals? --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
John Young wrote:
Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM. I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office (1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM.
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After this an inquiry to the court was made about Jim's location (not by me) and it was learned that he had been transferred to Federal Detention Center at SeaTac, WA. A letter sent there recently was returned unopened, marked "Return to Writer."
I would think that with all the recent publicity about the IRS abusing citizens, limited only by the agency's creativity and its ability to select citizen-units preceived as unable to fight back, that we should be able to spin the Jim Bell case in a way which further damages the public image of the IRS. After all, the IRS is hardly the agency charged with discovering alleged plots to overthrow the government, and the fabrication of such a plot in order to harrass and imprison a tax protester would seem to constitute antics similar to those disclosed in recent Congressional hearings. Of course, it would be difficult to wash away all the FUD the government has disseminated about the Bell case by now. Still, I think sloshing the IRS with a bit of the excrement they have been dispensing to the press might not be a bad move. Perhaps a noisy statement about the Bell case at one of those public meetings the IRS has been commanded to hold to discuss its past abuses might be a good place to start. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
Of course, it would be difficult to wash away all the FUD the government has disseminated about the Bell case by now. Still, I think sloshing the IRS with a bit of the excrement they have been dispensing to the press might not be a bad move. Perhaps a noisy statement about the Bell case at one of those public meetings the IRS has been commanded to hold to discuss its past abuses might be a good place to start.
Not so difficult. Remember that Bell stink-bombed those offices allegedly. This could easily be seen as a teenage-mentality prank. Play that part up, and the ludicrousness of everything else he was "schemeing", and it makes the IRS look very very bad. They are pushing the bad ass terrorist view of him. We need to push the "he was a misguided kid" or "this was all fantasy" bit. Hell everyone whose ever dealt with the IRS can sympathise with his desire to stink bomb them. The big bad thing is that they haven't yet sentenced him. If they do, it'll be very bad for him, however, it will be that much worse for the IRS (perhaps another reason for the delays, or it could be they need to break him so he confesses terrorist plots first...) it can generate "IRS throws Bevis like kid in Jail for Stink Bombing" headlines. (Sure, he's no kid, but make him look like one.) Perhaps a timeline article of all of the IRS's abuses with this one as the final point would add to the fuel... How do we further force them into that position?
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On 22 Nov 1997 00:54:42 -0600, Eric Cordian <emc@wire.insync.net> wrote:
Of course, it would be difficult to wash away all the FUD the government has disseminated about the Bell case by now. Still, I think sloshing the IRS with a bit of the excrement they have been dispensing to the press might not be a bad move. Perhaps a noisy statement about the Bell case at one of those public meetings the IRS has been commanded to hold to discuss its past abuses might be a good place to start.
Radio talk shows may be a better place to start. -- Phelix
Coercive Counterintelligence Interrogation of Resistant Sources A. Restrictions The purpose of this part of the handbook is to present basic information about coercive techniques available for use in the interrogation situation. B. The Theory of Coercion Coercive procedures are designed not only to exploit the resistant source's internal conflicts and induce him to wrestle with himself but also to bring a superior outside force to bear upon the subject's resistance. All coercive techniques are designed to induce regression. As Hinkle notes in "The Physiological State of the Interrogation Subject as it Affects Brain Function"(7), the result of external pressures of sufficient intensity is the loss of those defenses most recently acquired by civilized man: "... Farber says that the response to coercion typically contains "... at least three important elements: debility, dependency, and dread." Prisoners "... have reduced viability, are helplessly dependent on their captors for the satisfaction of their many basic needs, and experience the emotional and motivational reactions of intense fear and anxiety.... Only subjects who have reached a point where they are under delusions are likely to make false confessions that they believe. The profound moral objection to applying duress past the point of irreversible psychological damage has been stated. Judging the validity of other ethical arguments about coercion exceeds the scope of this paper. The following are the principal coercive techniques of interrogation: arrest, detention, deprivation of sensory stimuli through solitary confinement or similar methods, threats and fear, debility, pain, heightened suggestibility and hypnosis, narcosis, and induced regression. C. Arrest The manner and timing of arrest can contribute substantially to the interrogator's purposes. D. Detention If, through the cooperation of a liaison service or by unilateral means, arrangements have been made for the confinement of a resistant source, the circumstances of detention are arranged to enhance within the subject his feelings of being cut off from the known and the reassuring, and of being plunged into the strange. E. Deprivation of Sensory Stimuli John C. Lilly found "... that isolation per se acts on most persons as a powerful stress...." "The symptoms most commonly produced by isolation are superstition, intense love of any other living thing, perceiving inanimate objects as alive, hallucinations, and delusions." "It is obvious that inner factors in the mind tend to be projected outward, that some of the mind's activity which is usually reality-bound now becomes free to turn to phantasy and ultimately to hallucination and delusion." F. Threats and Fear The threat of coercion usually weakens or destroys resistance more effectively than coercion itself. The same principle holds for other fears: sustained long enough, a strong fear of anything vague or unknown induces regression. Threats delivered coldly are more effective than those shouted in rage. It is not enough that a resistant source should placed under the tension of fear; he must also discern an acceptable escape route. In brief, the threat is like all other coercive techniques in being most effective when so used as to foster regression and when joined with a suggested way out of the dilemma, a rationalization acceptable to the interrogatee. G. Debility The available evidence suggests that resistance is sapped principally by psychological rather than physical pressures. The threat of debility - for example, a brief deprivation of food - may induce much more anxiety than prolonged hunger. H. Pain "In the simple torture situation the contest is one between the individual and his tormentor (.... and he can frequently endure). When the individual is told to stand at attention for long periods, an intervening factor is introduced. The immediate source of pain is not the interrogator but the victim himself. The motivational strength of the individual is likely to exhaust itself in this internal encounter.... I. Heightened Suggestibility and Hypnosis Merton M. Gill and Margaret Brenman state, "The psychoanalytic theory of hypnosis clearly implies, where it does not explicitly state, that hypnosis is a form of regression." And they add, "...induction [of hypnosis] is the process of bringing about a regression, while the hypnotic state is the established regression." The problem of overcoming the resistance of an uncooperative interrogatee is essentially a problem of inducing regression to a level at which the resistance can no longer be sustained. Hypnosis is one way of regressing people. J. Narcosis Just as the threat of pain may more effectively induce compliance than its infliction, so an interrogatee's mistaken belief that he has been drugged may make him a more useful interrogation subject than he would be under narcosis. Nevertheless, drugs can be effective in overcoming resistance not dissolved by other techniques. As has already been noted, the so-called silent drug (a pharmacologically potent substance given to a person unaware of its administration) can make possible the induction of hypnotic trance in a previously unwilling subject. K. The Detection of Malingering Another technique is to pretend to take the deception seriously, express grave concern, and tell the "patient" that the only remedy for his illness is a series of electric shock treatments or a frontal lobotomy.
At 8:16 PM -0700 11/21/97, John Young wrote:
Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM. I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office (1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM.
And so today is December 12th. Has anybody heard anything? Or have the criminals who run the legal system delayed his sentencing yet again? --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
participants (11)
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amp@pobox.com
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dlv@bwalk.dm.com
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Eric Cordian
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Greg Broiles
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ichudov@Algebra.COM
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John Young
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Jonathan Wienke
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phelix@vallnet.com
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Ray Arachelian
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Tim May
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TruthMonger