Oh, come on, Perry - your memory must be decaying. I've met Jude 3-4 times in the last 1.5 years, including at Bay Area cypherpunks meetings (the long boring photo-shoot for the NY Times Magazine, for instance), and it's been referred to in the past that "cypherpunks" was her pun. She's also the one who put out requests for character contributions to a novel she's doing, which went to the list. Besides, if you're grumpy that you haven't met someone, you need to get out here to the left coast more often - New York winters must be getting to you :-) Bill