Re: Liberating the Bits
BigNuts wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote:
Technology liberates the bits.
Tim gave excellent information on how one can go about using technology to enjoy the fruits of other people's labour without contributing toward the survival of those producing the things he enjoys.
Anything that isn't nailed down, is mine. Anything that I can pry loose, isn't nailed down.
When I originally came up with the concept of BlackNet and anonymous remailers, I foresaw that my invention of Public Key Cryptography might help make it possible for ordinary people to reap the benefits of other peoples' ideas and hard work, without doing anything to contribute toward the survival of creative, productive people.
Big deal. I was the first one to write about fire and the wheel but you don't see me constantly reminding people about it.
I can understand that Tim May wants to hang on to the mountain of cash that was made possible by his company's software copyrights, but I am surprised that he seems so boastful about denying others any compensation for their ideas, talent, and labour.
Hey! I got mine and I'm keeping it! Just because a bunch of gullible people believed my company's claim that we owned the results of our creative ideas doesn't mean that I have to be a sucker, too. People have no more right to deny others the free use of their creative ideas than they do to deny others the free use of their identities. Technology allows me to use other people's idea capital and their reputation capital without compensating them and any attempt to deny me my right to do so is an infringement on my freedom. Everything in the world is up for grabs and those who have the most firepower get to take the goodies home. I have the latest in guns and digital technology, so I can get and keep a lot of goodies. {BTW, if you grab all of the candy bags from all of the children out Halloweening it doesn't matter if they don't come back next year because there will always be new suckers to take their place.} Theres something wrong when I'm a forger under an increasing number of laws. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | identity anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous identity, digital identities, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | identity, reputations, identity markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black eyes, collapse of identity. "Personal Identity isn't even a speed bump on the reputation capital highway."
On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote:
Hey! I got mine and I'm keeping it! Just because a bunch of gullible people believed my company's claim that we owned the results of our creative ideas doesn't mean that I have to be a sucker, too.
If you're willing to admit you got yours under false pretenses, the rest of us would like to have it back. Now. MacN
The Canadian whacko who goes by "Toto," "TruthMonger," "Xenix Chainsaw Massacre Author," "Colonel C.J. Parker" (or somesuch) is apparently at it again. While I was out of town, he arranged to have this message sent: At 5:20 PM -0700 7/2/97, Tim May wrote:
BigNuts wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote:
Technology liberates the bits.
Tim gave excellent information on how one can go about using technology to enjoy the fruits of other people's labour without contributing toward the survival of those producing the things he enjoys.
Anything that isn't nailed down, is mine. Anything that I can pry loose, isn't nailed down. ...etc....
The full headers of this message reveal: Received: from wombat.sk.sympatico.ca (wombat.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.5.136]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10470 for <cypherpunks@toad.com>; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 17:21:56 -0700 (PDT) --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
At 5:59 PM -0700 7/2/97, Mac Norton wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote:
Hey! I got mine and I'm keeping it! Just because a bunch of gullible people believed my company's claim that we owned the results of our creative ideas doesn't mean that I have to be a sucker, too.
If you're willing to admit you got yours under false pretenses, the rest of us would like to have it back. Now.
Let it be known I did not write any of the material above attributed to me. (I'm just catching up on some of the accumulated e-mail of the past several days, and am looking at random messages that catch my interest. Perhaps I am missing some context, but I am quoted in the "Tim May wrote:" line, and yet none of that quoted section includes anything I wrote.) --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
Tim May <tcmay@got.net> writes:
Let it be known I did not write any of the material above attributed to me.
And we're supposed to believe you? I pity a man who has no sense of humor - like Timmy.
(I'm just catching up on some of the accumulated e-mail of the past several days, and am looking at random messages that catch my interest. Perhaps I am missing some context, but I am quoted in the "Tim May wrote:" line, and yet none of that quoted section includes anything I wrote.)
Can you prove that you didn't write it? What about the call to assassinate the president posted under your name to the alt.cypherpunks newsgroup? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
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