'punks, There's a crackpot by the name of Guy Polis (guy@panix.com, polis_guy@ jpmorgan.com) who posts a crackpot "cryptographic manifesto" and sounds like a bad troll intended to make the folks who promote the use of crypto look like, well, crackpots. Be warned. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
There's a crackpot by the name of Guy Polis (guy@panix.com, polis_guy@ jpmorgan.com) who posts a crackpot "cryptographic manifesto" and sounds like a bad troll intended to make the folks who promote the use of crypto look like, well, crackpots. Be warned.
Tim May wrote:
Yeah, and like we're gun-nuts, too!
The mammalian jackass is also claiming that all crypto promoters are marsupials. -rw
Tim May wrote:
Rabid Wombat wrote:
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
There's a crackpot by the name of Guy Polis (guy@panix.com, polis_guy@ jpmorgan.com) who posts a crackpot "cryptographic manifesto" and sounds like a bad troll intended to make the folks who promote the use of crypto look like, well, crackpots. Be warned.
Tim May wrote:
Yeah, and like we're gun-nuts, too!
Actually, I didn't write that. Just another forgery from "Toto" (I am presuming, from past admissions and from the "wombat.sk.sympatico.ca" origins).
The mammalian jackass is also claiming that all crypto promoters are marsupials.
Neither did I write the above. This is really getting old. You'd think the guy would at least learn how to forge a message header after all this time. It just goes to show that people ought to pay more attention to the headers on their email. Otherwise, you never know when it's just somebody being an asshole. -rw There's something wrong when I'm marsupial under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the vertabrae grabbers is warranted: "Death to Dinosaurs!"
Rabid Wombat <wombat@mcfeely.bsfs.org> doesn't write:
The mammalian jackass is also claiming that all crypto promoters are marsupials.
Neither did I write the above. This is really getting old. You'd think the guy would at least learn how to forge a message header after all this time. It just goes to show that people ought to pay more attention to the headers on their email. Otherwise, you never know when it's just somebody being an asshole.
I was about to tell the poor R.W. that he was indeed being an asshole, when I took another good look at the headers. He he he. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
There's a crackpot by the name of Guy Polis (guy@panix.com, polis_guy@ jpmorgan.com) who posts a crackpot "cryptographic manifesto" and sounds like a bad troll intended to make the folks who promote the use of crypto look like, well, crackpots. Be warned.
Tim May wrote:
Yeah, and like we're gun-nuts, too!
Rabid Wombat wrote:
The mammalian jackass is also claiming that all crypto promoters are marsupials.
As long as he doesn't accuse us of of being mathematicians... Does anyone remember what 5 + 7 is equal to? (Send the answer by encrypted, private email. Secrecy is essential to my work.) Peter Trei trei@process.com
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
There's a crackpot by the name of Guy Polis (guy@panix.com, polis_guy@ jpmorgan.com) who posts a crackpot "cryptographic manifesto" and sounds like a bad troll intended to make the folks who promote the use of crypto look like, well, crackpots. Be warned.
Yeah, and like gun-nuts, too! --Tim May, OTE, RC, KT, GNU-NTU There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
At 6:27 PM -0700 8/11/97, Peter Trei wrote:
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
There's a crackpot by the name of Guy Polis (guy@panix.com, polis_guy@ jpmorgan.com) who posts a crackpot "cryptographic manifesto" and sounds like a bad troll intended to make the folks who promote the use of crypto look like, well, crackpots. Be warned.
Tim May wrote:
Yeah, and like we're gun-nuts, too!
Actually, I didn't write that. Just another forgery from "Toto" (I am presuming, from past admissions and from the "wombat.sk.sympatico.ca" origins). Here are some of the relevant headers. Note also the Organization field. Received: from wombat.sk.sympatico.ca (wombat.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.5.136]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24941 for <cypherpunks@toad.com>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (lohner24.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.98.24]) by wombat.sk.sympatico.ca with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA03750 for <cypherpunks@toad.com>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:27:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <33EFB850.5B50@got.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:11:44 -0600 From: Tim May <tcmay@got.net> Organization: Electronic Forgery Foundation This is getting tiresome. It may be time to just head up to Ottawa, or wherever, look this guy up, and do something about him. His overly long drunken rants are one thing, and are easily deleted, but impersonating me is straight out of Detweiler's book. Must be something about Cypherpunks that brings out this urge to impersonate. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
Tim May <tcmay@got.net> writes:
At 6:27 PM -0700 8/11/97, Peter Trei wrote:
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
There's a crackpot by the name of Guy Polis (guy@panix.com, polis_guy@ jpmorgan.com) who posts a crackpot "cryptographic manifesto" and sounds like a bad troll intended to make the folks who promote the use of crypto look like, well, crackpots. Be warned.
Tim May wrote:
Yeah, and like we're gun-nuts, too!
Actually, I didn't write that. Just another forgery from "Toto" (I am presuming, from past admissions and from the "wombat.sk.sympatico.ca" origins).
Here are some of the relevant headers. Note also the Organization field.
Received: from wombat.sk.sympatico.ca (wombat.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.5.136]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24941 for <cypherpunks@toad.com>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (lohner24.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.98.24]) by wombat.sk.sympatico.ca with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA03750 for <cypherpunks@toad.com>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:27:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <33EFB850.5B50@got.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:11:44 -0600 From: Tim May <tcmay@got.net> Organization: Electronic Forgery Foundation
This is getting tiresome. It may be time to just head up to Ottawa, or wherever, look this guy up, and do something about him. His overly long drunken rants are one thing, and are easily deleted, but impersonating me is straight out of Detweiler's book. Must be something about Cypherpunks that brings out this urge to impersonate.
Toto's drunked rants and the most valuable traffic on this mailing list these days - I read them and usually save them. Tim May's censorship rants make him sonnd like kent Krispin. How do we know that Tim May didn't post the alleged forgery himself and didn't munge the headers to point to Toto? Here's a nice new .signature for you, Tim, courtecy of Dr. Fomin: ] . , ] `. ____ ,'::. ] `-d8%XX88b-':... . ] . . :88%,+,iX.8.:.. . Dr. Vladimir Il'ich Fomin ] . . d.%%/:: \iX8..... . ]. . . :%%{::Q .}iX.8 . . rec.food.borscht ] . . d.%%}:/.\ {iX8.b . ] . . .%.{;'.;:`:}iX.8.. . rec.food.drink.vodka ]: . . o%%/. /l\::\iX8::.. . ] .... .%{. //l\\::}iX}.:.. ]: .. {%{.{{ *:}}:}iB:::.:. "Did you beat up a faggot today?" ].:.. . :.%\.\\l//:/i:}::.:. ]:.::. . j%`.`-';'i.P:::.:. ]::.:.:. .:x.%`+'iX:P:::.:.. Please e-mail all your MLM offers ]::::.:.... 8%%A:8.}:::.:.. and business opportunities to: ]::::.::.:..j:(*).P::::.::.. news-admin-net-abuse-policy@uunet.uu.net ] ::::.:.:...x.V8P::::.:... ] :::::.::.:..`l'::::.:.... ] ::::::::.,' `:::::... ] `---____-' `-____---' --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
drunken rants are one thing, and are easily deleted, but impersonating me is straight out of Detweiler's book. Must be something about Cypherpunks that brings out this urge to impersonate.
Toto's drunked rants and the most valuable traffic on this mailing list these days - I read them and usually save them. Tim May's censorship rants make him sonnd like kent Krispin.
I agree, Toto makes some of the best posts to the list, they are often just humurous one-liners but he also makes a lot of excellent observations and is very good at predicting the way things will go, as far as I`m concerned his posts are up there in quality with those of TCM, Adam Back, Dr.V, Bill Stwart, William Geiger and the other regular good posters.
How do we know that Tim May didn't post the alleged forgery himself and didn't munge the headers to point to Toto?
Not his style (as far as I know it), but I agree there is no evidence to the contrary. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul@crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul@cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"
On Wed, Aug 13, 1997 at 04:43:08PM +0000, Paul Bradley wrote:
drunken rants are one thing, and are easily deleted, but impersonating me is straight out of Detweiler's book. Must be something about Cypherpunks that brings out this urge to impersonate.
Toto's drunked rants and the most valuable traffic on this mailing list these days - I read them and usually save them. Tim May's censorship rants make him sonnd like kent Krispin.
I agree, Toto makes some of the best posts to the list,
Toto, in my opinion, is by far the most talented writer on this list. Furthermore, unlike many, he is not hobgoblined by consistency -- he is deep enough and courageous enough to give his own internal contradictions free expression, and is open to a far wider range of opinions than most people. -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <v03102800b015a6b8c7d7@[207.167.93.63]>, on 08/11/97 at 10:44 PM, Tim May <tcmay@got.net> said:
At 6:27 PM -0700 8/11/97, Peter Trei wrote:
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
There's a crackpot by the name of Guy Polis (guy@panix.com, polis_guy@ jpmorgan.com) who posts a crackpot "cryptographic manifesto" and sounds like a bad troll intended to make the folks who promote the use of crypto look like, well, crackpots. Be warned.
Tim May wrote:
Yeah, and like we're gun-nuts, too!
Actually, I didn't write that. Just another forgery from "Toto" (I am presuming, from past admissions and from the "wombat.sk.sympatico.ca" origins).
Here are some of the relevant headers. Note also the Organization field.
Received: from wombat.sk.sympatico.ca (wombat.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.5.136]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24941 for <cypherpunks@toad.com>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (lohner24.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.98.24]) by wombat.sk.sympatico.ca with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA03750 for <cypherpunks@toad.com>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:27:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <33EFB850.5B50@got.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:11:44 -0600 From: Tim May <tcmay@got.net> Organization: Electronic Forgery Foundation
This is getting tiresome. It may be time to just head up to Ottawa, or wherever, look this guy up, and do something about him. His overly long drunken rants are one thing, and are easily deleted, but impersonating me is straight out of Detweiler's book. Must be something about Cypherpunks that brings out this urge to impersonate.
Nothing personal Tim but one of the reasons for using Digital Signatures is to prevent such forgeries. Ofcource you could be forging the forgeries to persent "plausable deniability" to all your posts. :) - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM+/3vI9Co1n+aLhhAQGOFgP+MDGPt4TFlYNsR3zJBuW+yFI7leiXcEvU KuJVPBw9C+RMAXXgD4ryBrBiuSPa0yYnqDsJpxmqDW4zQ72DKt99ISkHT7VRd5bL iGfBBe8Mnrm8TuBYhu/nmUYhlai400COl09w+cAm+URF5q9xyqcH33d7wINtC9Zt rJmNStXSTxY= =D7WA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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