K > Yes I realize it, and perhaps Perry's right we should move this K >to extropians. No one has complained to *me* yet. I thought this a cpherpunks issue because it deals with the *Physical* Layer which is just as important a part of the ISO reference model as any other. We have to deal with questions of the interface between some of our technology and the world. Duncan Frissell Free Reference Model mnemonic. Read from the bottom up: Anarchists Communists or Socialists <--- I know they've renamed this but that's the way Trust I first saw it. Never Departments Police Applications Communications System Transport Network Data Link Physical --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165