perry@imsi.com wrote:

They've never failed -- thats the thing. France has had five or six or seven governments since its revolution depending on how you count them. Italy's government was barely a few years old following the last war when it became nothing more than a graft generator. Of all the nations of Europe, only England in some sense can be said to have survived more than the last sixty or seventy years without a major change of government -- and it might be said that England's government changed radically following the reforms of the last century and the Parliament Act of 1911. (Well, some of the Scandanavian countries are also partial exceptions, but not especially big ones.) Europe is considered the "advanced" part of the workd, ladies and gentlemen. The U.S.'s record of surviving over 200 years without a major upheaval is quite an unusual thing.

I agree with you that the U.S. is unusual in this way - but I would say that part of the reason the US has been so successful in warding off 'bad government' is because Americans have traditionally been very concious and protective of their liberties, more so than the French and Italians, and even more so than the Brits. I would suggest that this supports my 'eternal vigilance' statement, because it is only the country that has been most protective and concious of its rights that still has it's rights. (Having a written Constitution has helped a bit, too...)

But the people almost never resist. Usually, they want the bad government -- it needs them to survive.

Well, that's an awfully pessimistic attitude, but I think you would certainly agree that some countries in the world have worse government than others. I would say that the government reflects the people - the countries with the best government tend to be those with the citizenry which is most aware of the dangers of big government. Even if those countries eventually succumb to bad government, they will have succumbed because they cease to resist the big G. My point is this - G(g)overnment reflects the people in that it is the people who ultimately must insure that their rights are protected. If they don't, history has shown, 'bad Government' will take over. American liberties have survived in some form for so long because Americans have made efforts to maintain them - not because the forces which try to restrict/remove our liberties are not their. By the same coin, since these forces are always there, when the US gives into them it will be because our citizenry is no longer vigilant in resisting these forces. rk ---------------------------------------------- Delivered by the NLTL Internet Gateway