Re: Why does the state still stand:

From: "E. ALLEN SMITH" <EALLENSMITH@ocelot.Rutgers.EDU>
I did not include offshore.com.ai in Anguilla due to its high cost; I consider anything over 25$ a month to be impractical.
_Country/Area_ _Name_ _Email_ Anguilla Cable & Wireless webmaster@candw.com.ai [...]
Thanks very much for making this list. However I would not be so quick to reject http://offshore.com.ai. It is run by long-time Cypherpunk Vince Cate, apparently specifically for the kinds of purposes we are discussing. His project was discussed in a recent issue of Wired, I think the May issue. (I have no contact with Cate, and have never met him as far as I can recall.) For doing something like running a remailer which will post material which is illegal and/or copyrighted in the U.S., you are going to need a service which can stand up to pressure. Presumably some monetary incentive is going to be a necessity. Of course by this standard $25 a month is pretty inconsequential. One issue is whether these banking-secrecy countries like Anguilla are followers of the Berne convention or other international copyright regulations. Banking secrecy and software piracy don't necessarily go hand in hand. I hear a lot about copyright violations in China but not in the Caribbean. So actually it isn't clear that this country is the right location for a remailer that can post arbitrary material. As for the costs to the remailer operator, he simply passes those on to his customers. I think in the long run onshore remailers will be forced to take measures to restrict copyright-violating posts. So if your choice is between paying nothing and not getting your whistle-blowing message posted, or paying $10 and getting it out on the nets, then hopefully it is worth that much to you. We have discussed for-pay remailers and the consensus has been that no one would use them when others run for free. However now I think the false premise is being exposed, that free remailers simply will not be able to run in the current mode for much longer. Once a single remailer operator has been fined thousands of dollars because somebody posted some copyrighted message, I don't think you will find many people eager to sign up as operators. So this dream of a volatile collection of remailers popping up and going away just doesn't work in my view. Why would anyone offer a service knowing that he was exposing himself to liability like this? It would be just a game of Russian roulette, waiting to see whether it is your remailer which gets the bullet in the form of a post which violates the copyright of someone with deep pockets. Hal

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 16 May 1996, Hal wrote:
We have discussed for-pay remailers and the consensus has been that no one would use them when others run for free. However now I think the false premise is being exposed, that free remailers simply will not be able to run in the current mode for much longer. Once a single remailer operator has been fined thousands of dollars because somebody posted some copyrighted message, I don't think you will find many people eager to sign up as operators. So this dream of a volatile collection of remailers popping up and going away just doesn't work in my view. Why would anyone offer a service knowing that he was exposing himself to liability like this? It would be just a game of Russian roulette, waiting to see whether it is your remailer which gets the bullet in the form of a post which violates the copyright of someone with deep pockets.
It is possible for someone to operate an anonymous remailer anonymously. Just get a UNIX shell account under a fake name, pay with cash, and set up the remailing software. The identity of the operator of such a remailer would be difficult, if not impossible, to discover. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= markm@voicenet.com | finger -l for PGP key 0xe3bf2169 http://www.voicenet.com/~markm/ | d61734f2800486ae6f79bfeb70f95348 ((2b) || !(2b)) | Old key now used only for signatures "The concept of normalcy is just a conspiracy of the majority" -me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMZ5ts7Zc+sv5siulAQH2QwQAn0xEONohrZ0Eoj5MMxL8NS/i/G48U5nR 1uLI2PXeBBbCSJQ5SXxp/4JoOZR13NkaIhAwBaCAcJRRV1AKa+f9xuK4wwbrqElg ud24RRn7zf7H4HPkFSZF8uqQK/y7jjsJdhvtlVytyAKp4TnnkuGH8K1b44aW5OgM wgbaT6UNiCw= =Y4kV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

It is possible for someone to operate an anonymous remailer anonymously. Just get a UNIX shell account under a fake name, pay with cash, and set up the remailing software. The identity of the operator of such a remailer would be difficult, if not impossible, to discover.
Thousands of users want to do just that, but can't code, which is currently nessessary for effiency and security. Do you want to help us out? I can do casual business and legal research, but source code is as good as cyphertext to me.
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