whats all this nonsense
I just signed onto this list. What the hell is all this nonsense that I hear about mandating PGP signed messages? I thought the whole grassroots crypto thing was about protecting privacy rights and individual liberty and all that. So what if someone wants to post a message to cypherpunks AND DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE THEY WROTE THE MESSAGE. Whether because they fear legal prosecution, or some other social consequence down the line, or whatever. It's everyone's personal choice whether they want their name nailed down unmistakably to given messages of personal/political/WHATEVER nature. It seems heinously against the spirit of this list to mandate that pople append an unforgeable digital signature to everything they feel like saying to the list so that anyone, anywhere can prove that they said a particular thing at a partic time. If you have a problem with what someone said and want to verify its authenticity, why not just send them an email and ask them to sign the message personally? Tom
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I think the point is that people should take some time to think about what they say. By forcing them to sign their message, it will take an extra few seconds so they will consider what they are saying. As for privacy, who's to say that I can't generate a random PGP key with a random UserID and use that to sign the message. I don't thin the idea was to keep a "who can send to this list" keyring on toad.com (Eric: correct me if my interpretation is incorrect). - -derek -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBuAwUBLtuhkzh0K1zBsGrxAQFeNALDBbbC5ccV6bqqnpdj2Nz9T0Obt3BcDxg/ SarT29RVvTJvjCOpMXaC+9qnMq6bjB9RFyuaks8KJMiV2Zq8uPOLO+R9gjTA1qmq Fq6IOQhNZmqJdFxdJIZlDD0= =b9m1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199411292103.AA07490@amhux3.amherst.edu>, you wrote:
I just signed onto this list. What the hell is all this nonsense that I hear about mandating PGP signed messages?
I thought the whole grassroots crypto thing was about protecting privacy rights and individual liberty and all that. So what if someone wants to post a message to cypherpunks AND DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE THEY WROTE THE MESSAGE. Whether because they fear legal prosecution, or some other social consequence down the line, or whatever. It's everyone's personal choice whether they want their name nailed down unmistakably to given messages of personal/political/WHATEVER nature. It seems heinously against the spirit of this list to mandate that pople append an unforgeable digital signature to everything they feel like saying to the list so that anyone, anywhere can prove that they said a particular thing at a partic time. If you have a problem with what someone said and want to verify its authenticity, why not just send them an email and ask them to sign the message personally?
Tom
If I had something to post that I did not want to be held accountable for, I would post it via a remailer. If I post something in my own name I want people to know that it came from me. A digital signature facilitates this. ============================================================================== Ireland has the honor of being the only country which never persecuted the Jews -- because we never let any in. --James Joyce-- ============================================================================== skaplin@skypoint.com | "...vidi vici veni" - Overheard | outside a Roman brothel. PGP encrypted mail is accepted and | preferred. | Change is the only constant in the | Universe..."Four quarters, please." E-mail key@four11.com for PGP Key or | Finger skaplin@mirage.skypoint.com | Smile!! Big brother is watching. ============================================================================== - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAy5pUekAAAEEAKrDj64Zj9AJU+gC7/Ivdk8b1ef6a1T9K5CGFeu1yFDSXLyD DLIdGunZR/4ilosLMxdlZcNqPwZ3HgxL+Gk3y2SwYfqKpeWExWPgb696lgzf2BRC tED15ZAwi3UDIkcouv2PBiDwPNUUmnLb5diDXdA3qtALb+XzlwpnimeWAf3FAAUT tCRTYW11ZWwgS2FwbGluIDxza2FwbGluQHNreXBvaW50LmNvbT6JAJUDBRAu0Wcv CmeKZ5YB/cUBAd1yA/9/n2PA2VrJ+k++yfOdx5EdmqUyUX4IL0XVmxb2lxNSuBlx It2T+Qzz6Xa03eS1qpjWYeU/lXvmgQe5CDPsmmYl9zVPiy8HKTveOtl+5tbBzeBS RfDBz3Jx/71UVyF273lRWn/cw9E8mjlrc2tUJEsCgLRFQVf8YHzdKoUDRwn1b4kA lQMFEC7QbCjVMiHPX2OluQEBelEEAJ/I2sjy6PdXlwawIrP1hQnb2WcTD2VdoOJ1 OWue3hnfgGc7YrwTOg3IphVgHg6Rt3gQ9qURlOlSVGSXmLdgW23iSXxxqsSm75nR wxDx1Ns/M0S+3Qdt4Vs14x5KC5rwI2OuhBX2i18xWUzRbR+d+WbuoRlcPPJ2CA2e kINgoiuX =O2F0 - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLtu1/ApnimeWAf3FAQFdIwP/ZwlJJbfAJHbZDYDJybvf7mD6wXwvykwj Bu9D+6MBcolZLrP8CtareTauevDxHloeP7g7OLJSyUEf5ACEv7QJUFLhBhTqyvmv bT8/mO33c+gSl9uDqraUHuWwjszBbU00e8fQ2UykyPHWt/l3IQLdV6YtmvtMDYvI o1Qh9nESAL0= =ZbvX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Derek Atkins -
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Tom Bryce