Re: Privacy news: Oakland Cameras, Levi employee files, FileGate
At 06:35 PM 4/30/97 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
It's been a busy day for privacy issues in the Oakland Trib.
Surveillance Cameras in Oakland ------------------------------- Bay Alarm is trying to sell the City Council a $500K-$1.5M closed-circuit TV system for watching people in public places. The three picknickers didn't litter, but the camera mounted on the public library building could zoom in enough to that the council could tell a ham sandwich from roast beef, and whether the two joggers were wearing Nikes or Reeboks. "Anybody who is a law-abiding citizen is not going to be concerned about this.. "When I'm out in a public place.... I don't have an expectation of privacy" said Councilcritter Nate Miley (East Oakland/Elmhurst), who wants a test run in his district, where residents have bars on their windows and are afraid to go out at night. Police Chief Joseph Samuels likes it too. "This is technology spying on our citizens from camera on light poles" said John Crew of the ACLU police practices project, speaking against it. Bay Alarm said that some British cities have dealt with privacy fears by setting up monitoring centers away from city and police offices, where tapes are kept in case a crime occurs -- crime victims can call up the police and ask them to play back tapes, said Mark Demier of Bay Alarm. The camera systems are also capable of taking pictures in the dark.
Brief radio piece on the red-light cameras in S.F. --- red-light running appears to be down at the 4 intersections where cameras are installed; some well-placed official was quoted as saying "The cameras are definitely having an effect on people's behavior." Yes, a Good Thing. They are continuing to move forward with plans to install more cameras. This is fine for red-light-running. I'm just worried about the day when the cameras have an effect on people's behavior with respect to what they say, whom they associate with, the clothes they wear, the thoughts they think... How do you hack a camera?
At 08:46 AM 5/1/97 -0700, you wrote:
This is fine for red-light-running. I'm just worried about the day when the cameras have an effect on people's behavior with respect to what they say, whom they associate with, the clothes they wear, the thoughts they think...
How do you hack a camera?
The traditional solution, which happened to a number of early photo-radar cameras, involves a ski-mask and a baseball bat; more subtle approaches rely on spray-paint, which does less damage to the expensive equipment, but spray paint is a Controlled Substance in many cities.... Other approaches, for the video-surveillance types of cameras, are to always use appropriate gestures when you're near the things. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts@ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199705040009.TAA04680@smoke.suba.com>, on 05/03/97 at 06:09 PM, snow <snow@smoke.suba.com> said:
have an effect on people's behavior with respect to what they say, whom they associate with, the clothes they wear, the thoughts they think... How do you hack a camera?
I'd suggest a small laser.
I prefer the low-tech approach: a big rock. :) - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii@amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: OS/2: The choice of the next generation. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Registered User E-Secure v1.1 ES000000 iQCVAwUBM2vw6o9Co1n+aLhhAQHWuAP/aqQnvGZA0atZE2tA/Vt94XOmibPNVEq6 cESP0jwCRzaLulARsUU9LC+Jz7S7TJPEQExWEZbJ5Km3ERFBWDT0QbDwNrouH6QA cFztoJ7oojbdtVhOYAaN1fHp+YXemabH834HqiFOU8z/9ZtcO3DlUGEJoDJRm4GU kOYNslhWDcg= =roj7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thu, 1 May 1997, geeman wrote:
have an effect on people's behavior with respect to what they say, whom they associate with, the clothes they wear, the thoughts they think...
How do you hack a camera?
Splatball (paintball) gun should do the trick. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nexus Computing | Hardware and Software Design www.eskimo.com/~nexus | Motorola, Microchip and Linux solutions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
At 9:02 PM -0800 5/10/97, Alan Olsen wrote:
The best weapon against a 35mm camera is a flash from a camera. Aim at the lens and fire. (Only if they are looking through it.) The screams are worth it. (One of the few joys of my high school photography class.)
Reminds me of an old astronomy club trick. Take any reasonble aperture telescope. Use a reasonable magnification for the target such that target window fills the field of view. Place a standard electronic flash where the eye normally is. (Increased efficiency is gotten by arranging for as much of the output to go into the eyepieces as possible...this can be done with an "integrating sphere," e.g., an aluminum foil sphere with a single exit at the eyepiece.) After dark, aim the telescope in the window of your victim. Best results are gotten if they have the lights off, e.g., while they're watching television. Trigger the flash. The startled reactions as their room fills with a flash of light are interesting. Some of them may even think they're under nuclear attack. This of course works best from afar. Apartment buildings with views of other apartment buildings, for example. Don't this from the bushes, or even from across a street. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
On Fri, 9 May 1997, Brian C. Lane wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 1997, geeman wrote:
have an effect on people's behavior with respect to what they say, whom they associate with, the clothes they wear, the thoughts they think...
How do you hack a camera?
Splatball (paintball) gun should do the trick.
I suppose if you make it expensive enough by damaging enough cameras, and any replacements, they will go away (or be better hidden). The trick is to do this without being caught. :) =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian | "So make a move and plead the fifth, |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder@sundernet.com| 'cause you can't pleade the first!" |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ | |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, | For with those which eternal lie, with |.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"| strange aeons, even death may die. |..... ======================== http://www.sundernet.com =========================
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.SUN.3.91.970513185533.5776Z-100000@beast.brainlink.com>, on 05/13/97 at 04:56 PM, Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com> said:
On Fri, 9 May 1997, Brian C. Lane wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 1997, geeman wrote:
have an effect on people's behavior with respect to what they say, whom they associate with, the clothes they wear, the thoughts they think...
How do you hack a camera?
Splatball (paintball) gun should do the trick.
I suppose if you make it expensive enough by damaging enough cameras, and any replacements, they will go away (or be better hidden). The trick is to do this without being caught. :)
I think if enough got damaged they would just replace them with cheap dummy cameras and hide the real ones. Orwell like most great thinkers was just ahead of his time. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii@amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: Windows? WINDOWS?!? Hahahahahehehehehohohoho... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Registered User E-Secure v1.1 ES000000 iQCVAwUBM3kYiY9Co1n+aLhhAQGnNgP/cUNvf2RwMNzVGtBzeuwv7BspkiTTp5eb FVYwVLHKK9NZ5zlfIgCwH3LWmciVOTe9jlpzQoTIb8SmOWJnn/p2eASiajEoEsun FuE81Ee8P/4Cj2hy0EL9T/imh/W+LKZiS89QEtfAv3FT25ZqU/ECZnErAdLNPuF7 BsHFtNRAkcs= =bPwj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
At 03:44 PM 5/9/97 -0700, Brian C. Lane wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 1997, geeman wrote:
have an effect on people's behavior with respect to what they say, whom they associate with, the clothes they wear, the thoughts they think...
How do you hack a camera?
Splatball (paintball) gun should do the trick.
The best weapon against a 35mm camera is a flash from a camera. Aim at the lens and fire. (Only if they are looking through it.) The screams are worth it. (One of the few joys of my high school photography class.) --- | "Mi Tio es infermo, pero la carretera es verde!" | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano@teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan@ctrl-alt-del.com|
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