In <v03007808ae5dadc0f80f@[207.79.65.35]>, on 09/12/96 at 08:16 AM, Chip Mefford <cmefford@avwashington.com> said: = > 2. the rewrite of history to reflect not only the = > politically correct views, but to reflect history as = > the elite wish to see it --even to the point of rewriting = > quotations of Thomas Jefferson to suit their purpose. = > = Can you give a clear example of this?? = Just asking the most blatant one was the rewording of Jefferson's words for the equality of all men about two years ago. As we know, Jefferson was all for freedom, and had a "God bless you, you're a slave" attitude, but he was clearly not for the equalization. when that one came out of washington, several papers had a hard time with it, but I have seen it since. I have been collecting Jefferson quotes for years; frankly, I always considered the Dems were off base: Jefferson was the Republican --leaving Hamilton and his Federalists as pawns pawns of the Illuminati as advocates of the independent Federal Bank (the worst of the Rothschilds (Maurice, I think) who made the statements regarding control of the government by control of the money was in his prime around 1800). I am not a dedicated Jeffersonian scholar, but he has been the corner stone of my (now long blown) faith in our government. I would a complete set of Jefferson's works --if, and only, if I could find a good edition published over a 100 years ago. secondly, Jefferson is now interpreted as being the great enfranchiser, which is not even close to his view. Jefferson's writings clearly emphasize that the electorate should be comprised of the landed and merchant class; secondly, it was Jefferson's statement that the electorate, and therefore the juries should be composed "...of a well educated and informed citizenry." Jefferson was interested in an electorate which was of substance and possessing of a stake in America. One of the clear principles of Jeffersonian thought was that jury, beyond the requirement of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, was to _vote its conscience_. Jefferson was responsible for including the constitutional language which makes this possible, even today, despite instructions from judges who could care less about the intent of the constitution and are treating the accused as nothing more than cattle on the way to the abattoir --if they are not guilty this time they will be next time, so why waste further time --sometimes known as "collateral damage." = > Why has it gone this far? because Joe-Six-Pack will sell = > all his freedom in return for the promised security. who is = > the Judas goat? the captive press. = > = Actually, being a "Joe six pack" my own damn self, I'd have to say = that this is simply not the case. It is Joe six pack who makes up the = body of the NRA and most other freedom watch dog organizations. = Just for yer information, the pendulem has been swinging very much = the other way, with 36 or 37 states recently following Floridas lead = on concealed weapons carries. Not only that, but even NPR has even = admitted that it has been effective. Agreed on the restoration of concealed weapons rights which had been regulated out of existence. Granted, Joe-Six-Pack may not be the perfect analogy, but I refer to America's working class, blue collar and the grunts of the white collars as Joe-Six-Pack --maybe I should say Joe-Couch-Potato. the class" referenced is a collection of many levels --what they have in common is they work and then confrom to the current norm of 7.2 hrs/day in front of the tube which becomes their entire source of information --THEY will sell out from ignorance. If you refer to Joe-Six-Pack as the the classic Southern red neck, any attempt to limit their freedom, particularly the right to a pickup truck with a gun rack, and their handguns --that's a very different situation. and that extends to small town westerners, like myself, and to the plains. I grew up on a farm, went to Harvard, joined the spooks for six years of a bloodpath, bounced around the world in different fields, and I am back in a very small community in the high desert: 100 families. Noone around here questions my bad attitude --the admissions requirements are at least 5 kids and 2000 rounds. However, I think Joe-Six-Pack, in this constrained social set, for the vast majority would sell out on freedom of cryptography. they do not understand it, particularly against the onslaught of the pinko-liberal captive media. Our job is to educate them --and not with defiant rhetoric (such as mine). As for concealed weapons permits, bank robberies should certainly drop --all it would take is one cowboy (and I'll volunteer) and anything other than a large coordinated operation is in serious trouble. One unsuspected, mean and surly patron with a .357 who seriously knows how and when to use same is very effective. On the other hand, I do not recommend carrying an assault rifle on a sling over your shoulder to visit the bank.... The simple (I think) point I was trying to make was: the vast majority of our U.S. citizens would acquiesce to the deployment of federal troops in return for security, rather than being armed, Posse Comitas not withstanding, to wipe crime off the streets. The point could even be made: the troops might as well be doing something useful rather than sitting around their bases; we do have a rather large standing army --unfortunately, they would become poorly trained and poorly disciplined --and could easily be part of the massive corruption in our cities (and every other government over many people). Frankly, we should all vote in a _free_ cyberspace; forget the current system of choosing party loyalists and presidential electors. The application of a military mentality on the streets is not my idea of law and order --they could kill off the majority of the crime by legalizing all drugs and dispensing them in clinics. Britain reduced their second story (burglary) crime rate by over 60%; they did find they had a great many more addicts than the thought, however. A second benefit is that it takes some of the mystery and challenge out of drugs --however, be prepared for the alcohol problem, although that effect would be significantly less than the current social cost of having 10% of the male black population in lockdown. no, my bottome line is the Bubba has sunk to bottom with paranoia, both he and the elite money interests which jerk all of the politicial habituites who depend on their soft money for their campaings and who wish to participate at the trough of influence and greed (ever see someone retired after many years in Washington without a bundle). --attila -- one of the few things we all share: the utter, corrosive contempt for our elected officials.