Tom Weinstein wrote on cryptography@c2.net: {With Perry dripping Sameer's sperm from his mouth as his C2Nut Jackboots soiled the message with the following:} [I felt I had to let this go through, but I would advise that those involved restrict themselves to calmer comments from here on... --perry]

sameer wrote:

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In a recent announcement, Netscape Communications announced plans to include government back doors in their products. "By implementing this so-called 'key recovery', Netscape is getting a small increase in key length in exchange for putting your keys in the hands of the government," said Parekh. "This the same government that hired Aldrich Ames, the same goverment that has IRS employees surfing taxpayer databases at will. What do you think is going to happen to your keys?"

This is utter crap, and I'm sure you know it. All we're going to do is provide an OPTIONAL (and I mean really optional, not the way the feds use it) way for administrators to recover private keys. This is not GAK. I will never work on a product that includes GAK.

Oh, but I guess saying that Netscape is responding to customer requirements by including support for corporate key recovery wouldn't make such good press release spam.

Crap seems to be such a violent, obscene word when used to describe C2Nut's bullshit. Good thing that the cryptography list has Perry to protect the list subscribers from StrangleHold's competition defending themselves from Sameer's self-serving denigration of their products. Too bad C2Nut doesn't have a StrangleHold on the cypherpunks list, as well. Then they could use censorship threats to make us all be good little boys and girls, too. I expect all PR statements to have a modicum of bullshit in them and I resent any lame-fuck-would-be-Hitler trying to put a lid on the response to that bullshit. The fact that StrangleHold seems to have so many things to hide and such a strong need to control discussion of its product indicates to me that perhaps their product cannot stand up to the light of public scrutiny and criticsm. C2Nut's bottle-fed cryptography list may be fine for those who are afraid to know too much about StrangleHold, but anyone who owns a wetsuit needs to subscribe to the cypherpunks list for the good, old-fashioned pissing contests that send the pretenders home with their tails between their legs. (Anyone hear from DataERetch lately?) PissMonger