gtoal@an-teallach.com (Graham Toal) writes:
He has no legal comeback (ha, there's an interesting irony about the author of the world's leading piece of guerilla software...) and the most he can do is apply peer pressure to get the guy to back down. OTOH, we owe it to him to respect his opinion. If he didn't have the guts to create the tool, this conversation would be moot. I say that we should respect his wishes, and not bastardize PGP, if only not to discourage other people to write "risky" software
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From: Jeff Gostin <jgostin@eternal.pha.pa.us> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 23:31:38 EST OTOH, we owe it to him to respect his opinion. If he didn't have the guts to create the tool, this conversation would be moot. I say that we should respect his wishes, and not bastardize PGP, if only not to discourage other people to write "risky" software Definitely. While I don't believe that Phil has legal grounds to make Tom stop bastardizing PGP, I think that he has every right to protect his reputation and proclaim loudly that he considers Tom's modifications snake oil, etc. I suspect that most people would respect Phil's wishes in this area, but the cat's out of the bag as far as legally enforcing those wishes. Rick
On Thu, 14 Jul 1994, Rick Busdiecker wrote:
From: Jeff Gostin <jgostin@eternal.pha.pa.us> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 23:31:38 EST
OTOH, we owe it to him to respect his opinion. If he didn't have the guts to create the tool, this conversation would be moot. I say that we should respect his wishes, and not bastardize PGP, if only not to discourage other people to write "risky" software
Definitely. While I don't believe that Phil has legal grounds to make Tom stop bastardizing PGP, I think that he has every right to protect his reputation and proclaim loudly that he considers Tom's modifications snake oil, etc.
I suspect that most people would respect Phil's wishes in this area, but the cat's out of the bag as far as legally enforcing those wishes.
Rick
I must say that I agree here. I don't think that he can stop him from making any modifications to PGP, but I think that he can stop him from using the name PGP on it. I think that he has every right to do this. PGP is tied very closely with his reputation and that any modifications released under the name PGP should be his and his alone. ---- <venom@kaos.aum.edu> :. . ,o88o, James E. Riggs ;;:: ;:. d888888b ;; :,;' : 8888888B Peace: Live it ,;; :;' :. `Y8888P' or ;;; : ::. :. `""' rest in it! ,;;; : :. :....,,,,,,,,,, ,,;;; . :.....;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 15:52:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "James E. Riggs" <venom@kaos.aum.edu> I don't think that he can stop him from making any modifications to PGP, but I think that he can stop him from using the name PGP on it. I think that he has every right to do this. Well, perhaps every right except for a legal right. Of course, as I mentioned somewhat obtusely earlier, there's no precedent to work from, but (a version of) PGP was released under the terms of the GPL. Not "everything but the name of PGP" or "just the code of PGP". PGP is GPLed and Tom is legally free to bastardize it and continue to call it PGP based on the GPL. FWIW, the guy who developed the GPL believes that people who have taken GNU Emacs and done things to it which are unacceptable to him -- the the schism -- are completely free to use the name GNU Emacs. Because they are derivative works of GNU Emacs and GNU Emacs is GPLed, they are in his words "by definition" GNU Emacs. Tom's bastardization is similarly "by definition" PGP. It's intentional anarchy and I think that it's a Good Thing, despite the fact I support Phil's right to call it snake oil (and I tend to agree with him). Rick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLiXVrZNR+/jb2ZlNAQFkvAQAsWhP27vQxhgd5aK4WdWToOO1yftyyZ6S EYCabqSKHfz4tZY046wnM0L08YbH5C9rttGtW7Vk44ehv96jmI7yJiAZTrT03jiE J1xi+m7Gx+i0zWbEW+k1/bTA6IWQsNaptgEOE9sJtacnvBnMXbkTb9TGuhckMMES JrxMBzMb5wo= =iK3G -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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