why is the cp meeting sponsored by sun? so we can hear a sales pitch on java?

Actually, the idea for the meeting came out of a discussion at a party that Marianne and I attended last summer. Chip Morningstar (one of the co-founders of Electric Communities) and I were getting heavily into Java; also, my wife and I were starting to write a crypto package for Java (JCrypt). Subsequently, at a focus group meeting at Sun, we discovered that practically all of us were on cypherpunks. It's just a happy accident that discussion about Java has hit a crescendo here on the list. I suggested to mrm that we have it at Sun, since the warehouse loft space in SF where we've been meeting, charming as it is, isn't a great spot for doing presentations and would likely have capacity problems for this topic. So no, this is not some great conspiracy on Sun's part to co-opt the list. You can return to your regularly scheduled paranoid fantasies. Thank you....