Phil Fraerling asks if there is any crypto relevance to CCC liquidating. There definately is some. They were in the middle of building a Cray 3 with .25 Million PIM processors for the NSA. It was a wild machine, basically it used the Cray to pass data back and forth very quickly among the 1 bit processors. Someone who worked on it said that it reminded him of Wayner's hypothetical DES cracking machine. It was never very close to being finished. It will be interesting to see if somebody tries to finish it, or if they use some other platform to use the PIM (processor-in-memory) chips. I'd love to see who bids for the half-finished machine at the coming liquidation... thad -- Thaddeus Beier email: thresher!thad@netcom.com Technology Development vox: 408) 286-3376 Hammerhead Productions fax: 408) 292-8624