'punksters, Far more interesting than Oceania is the Millennial Project. It is not only in it's second revised edition, but has a very active BBS and hopes to be a list on the net soon (there looking for an assist with this so anyone who can help them out, would be appreciated) They have also had two national gatherings, and the group has numerous engineers running various planning committees, and they have downloadable spreadsheets on various aspects. It is a definate breath of fresh air from all the doomsayers out there. They also have a healthy respect for privacy and encryption. The book is available at any good bookstore. "The Millennial Project" seven easy steps to colonizing the Galaxy by Marshall Savage. Brian Williams Extropian Cypherpatriot "Cryptocosmology: Sufficently advanced communication is indistinguishable from noise." --Steve Witham "Have you ever had your phones tapped by the government? YOU WILL and the company that'll bring it to you.... AT&T" --James Speth