Toad.com filled itself up with email due to the spam attack in the last few days. While I was on holiday, Hugh took down the list to stop the mail loop and restore some sanity. It worked. He left it in a slightly broken state which I'm working to clean up. If you sent something useful to the list during that time and received a bounce message, see if your posting comes through by Monday morning. I'll be excavating and forwarding the posts that I can find. If I miss yours, please re-send it (once)! John Gilmore [continuing to contribute work, in order that you-all may use or abuse the resulting forum]