[No joke] The Feds may legally gas us
Folks, Did you know that the Feds may legally test chemical and biological weapons on the civilian population as long as they give 30 days advance notice to the local bigwigs (so they can get themselves and their families out of the danger zone)? This is not a joke. It is in the United States Code.
Return-Path: <ca-firearms-errors@lists.best.com> From: JT McBride <James.McBride@GDEsystems.COM> Subject: Under color of Law Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 05:34:55 -0800 BestServHost: lists.best.com Sender: ca-firearms-errors@lists.best.com Errors-To: ca-firearms-errors@lists.best.com To: ca-firearms@lists.best.com
I just heard about this on Art Bell's program, but this is United States Code, Title 50, section 1520. Under the NBC program, our government has the 'legal' right to gas us. This ought to be all the proof we need that what is "lawful" isn't necessarily.
If we can be gassed, why can't we be disarmed?
There are rights that transcend "law". I'd say LIFE is one, and the need for self-defense against tyranny should be clear.
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ยง 1520. Use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents by Department of Defense; accounting to Congressional committees with respect to experiments and studies; notification of local civilian officials
* (a) Not later than thirty days after final approval within the Department of Defense of plans for any experiment or study to be conducted by the Department of Defense, whether directly or under contract, involving the use of human subjects for the testing of chemical or biological agents, the Secretary of Defense shall supply the Committees on Armed Services of the Senate and House of Representatives with a full accounting of such plans for such experiment or study, and such experiment or study may then be conducted only after the expiration of the thirty-day period beginning on the date such accounting is received by such committees. * (b) o (1) The Secretary of Defense may not conduct any test or experiment involving the use of any chemical or biological agent on civilian populations unless local civilian officials in the area in which the test or experiment is to be conducted are notified in advance of such test or experiment, and such test or experiment may then be conducted only after the expiration of the thirty-day period beginning on the date of such notification. o (2) Paragraph (1) shall apply to tests and experiments conducted by Department of Defense personnel and tests and experiments conducted on behalf of the Department of Defense by contractors.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Lucky Green wrote:
Folks, Did you know that the Feds may legally test chemical and biological weapons on the civilian population as long as they give 30 days advance notice to the local bigwigs (so they can get themselves and their families out of the danger zone)?
This is not a joke. It is in the United States Code.
No, they can't. Development, testing, and use of Biological weapons is banned by the Geneva conventions (among others). International treaty outweighs USC. --Deviant PGP KeyID = E820F015 Fingerprint = 3D6AAB628E3DFAA9 F7D35736ABC56D39 "Obviously, a major malfunction has occurred." -- Steve Nesbitt, voice of Mission Control, January 28, 1986, as the shuttle Challenger exploded within view of the grandstands. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMrLFxzCdEh3oIPAVAQEYrwf+PKa9YLfFauJ+iWpGFCRBgLx+Z6skpvlm 2a2YShx/mi7U6UeFav6ldb3PJ5BxjHsrQFy9Fr4Gbxnc0zbDB+3HjHzuAm0+/jLg WMCOif9PR8X8W00BuhUuOC1yvrbzvYv6tVY0LUdMhVScm8chvetUKpGxL2JmF1Hw RUVte+iU7udx4Kkn2PEPzrr3mvQBhBq3mBl3v41kdR8HzmVt+nkjPJ/ynZHr5GLn 1luhz+9uSwYxQKdthgqgKvwA4t8fr7vg7L27Rl6m0OBKVjNFU5tKQVmlfuvXYbwe CUZdy15M78I25o9+4RbeZCNUGjhvbek9GGZEELTkVxeFaNA+Yr9iOw== =DJPE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, The Deviant wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Lucky Green wrote:
Folks, Did you know that the Feds may legally test chemical and biological weapons on the civilian population as long as they give 30 days advance notice to the local bigwigs (so they can get themselves and their families out of the danger zone)?
This is not a joke. It is in the United States Code.
No, they can't. Development, testing, and use of Biological weapons is banned by the Geneva conventions (among others). International treaty outweighs USC.
This still leaves chemical weapons. Certain chemical weapons are explicitly banned by treaties, but many of them aren't so the USG is free to test them on anyone they want. The U.S. military is also free to conduct training excercises in heavily populated civilian areas. http://www.erols.com/igoddard/copters.htm has an article about the military conducting "urban warfare" training in major U.S. cities. Mark - -- finger -l for PGP key PGP encrypted mail prefered. 0xf9b22ba5 now revoked -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMrMINyzIPc7jvyFpAQECYAgAkGTMTgdpBFR1Nd5wXhD5Xh/axCshijMz C6ff1zNRIYbepZwLVaSx/EXM0+cRiMEIYG8//gtn66+HEsxWoPHhtfl0MUNU2Szd qjB2QfnFDlVcTNkF6z2edqDatgiEy726q3Dd9iWnQ1tPZ8Qpn3KkOJe3AeNHsu93 tv1dQuNel8iMajfj7Hoes7PBrMdRkO0A5eIA7KIWOJ6aHloXijmSEo281DBgKyr4 CKDQ/rI6PX0kTY8hathDRhQfslekX7MF4DKKjpIRkZq6XfnhGeuVgusm+nrE0Ihp TqGmiCY6u9JwOsf6D23ArT5ilJND4+zVihQgHTqv6Ffbet32u4neiA== =/wQb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
The Deviant wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Lucky Green wrote:
Folks, Did you know that the Feds may legally test chemical and biological weapons on the civilian population as long as they give 30 days advance notice to the local bigwigs (so they can get themselves and their families out of the danger zone)? This is not a joke. It is in the United States Code.
No, they can't. Development, testing, and use of Biological weapons is banned by the Geneva conventions (among others). International treaty outweighs USC.
They can't, but they do. The gas used at Waco was banned internationally, but Janet Reno justified it, and she just got rehired.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, Dale Thorn wrote:
The Deviant wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Lucky Green wrote:
Folks, Did you know that the Feds may legally test chemical and biological weapons on the civilian population as long as they give 30 days advance notice to the local bigwigs (so they can get themselves and their families out of the danger zone)? This is not a joke. It is in the United States Code.
No, they can't. Development, testing, and use of Biological weapons is banned by the Geneva conventions (among others). International treaty outweighs USC.
They can't, but they do. The gas used at Waco was banned internationally, but Janet Reno justified it, and she just got rehired.
True, but the point still stands -- They can't, legally. --Deviant PGP KeyID = E820F015 Fingerprint = 3D6AAB628E3DFAA9 F7D35736ABC56D39 What does not destroy me, makes me stronger. -- Nietzsche -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMrLtUzCdEh3oIPAVAQGSlAf9F5sRKuqJMdFujzsf/c1dnxBbKjaDoED0 dSKCsGJmgAlpyIFNgSwlfXQV3Q9PM8nHuizb1yGmemOxE9cABQgQhGE817kdcbGH g2V9W7oXGDivK3FsNmEiCQGVuPpu+B4HiypaXaZ5OcUHr1ZXVKiMSgy8LokkdUWn z43HzQ5hKobaRmlc8x+PvCtpSAtiP0EhYBvIUN0+z3cF0IX41fIJK3UawYENskG/ 6kLdozmORTffyQOrbQ4w2IDE16lupsv5xwxYg8mH+edj4iQ74pTqmnl/KFn2vhO3 0taSu3hr6XHMlzQNp0Wa8yTbXiDVbzqdPPKCvoI5kI78W76I7UUXdA== =Jgzf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
The Deviant wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Lucky Green wrote: Folks, Did you know that the Feds may legally test chemical and biological weapons on the civilian population as long as they give 30 days advance notice to
No, they can't. Development, testing, and use of Biological weapons is banned by the Geneva conventions (among others). International treaty outweighs USC.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Geneva conventions do not apply to nations acting upon their own citizens... This showed up in the legal wrangling over whether the brutality in Bosnia-Herzegovena was part of a civil war or a war between nations, and hence whether an international tribunal had authority... -- Jim Wise jim@santafe.arch.columbia.edu http://www.arch.columbia.edu/~jim * Finger for PGP public key *
Jim Wise wrote:
The Deviant wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Lucky Green wrote:
Did you know that the Feds may legally test chemical and biological weapons on the civilian population as long as they give 30 days advance notice to
No, they can't. Development, testing, and use of Biological weapons is banned by the Geneva conventions (among others). International treaty outweighs USC.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Geneva conventions do not apply to nations acting upon their own citizens... This showed up in the legal wrangling over whether the brutality in Bosnia-Herzegovena was part of a civil war or a war between nations, and hence whether an international tribunal had authority...
On a related note, the L.A. Times (not a real newspaper) has devoted a tremendous amount of space to convincing their readers that a tribunal can be put together to prosecute the Bosnian Serbs. Anyone familiar with the stories can undoubtedly argue that either the stories didn't exactly say this, or they were obviously wishful thinking with no legal weight, and so on. My point is simply that the vast amount of valuable newspaper space isn't being thrown away; it has a purpose which is tied to investments, probably international. Laws can take a back seat to a strong tide of public pressure - witness the movements to keep trying people in court until a conviction can be obtained to satisfy the public: DeLaBeckwith, Powell/Koon et al, and now O.J. Simpson. The L.A. Times figures (as does former Atty. Gen. Ramsey Clark in his work on the Gulf War) that if they stir up enough "controversy" over the Bosnia issue, the international public will put enough pressure on to satisfy the Times' agenda. Further (and at the risk of being identified with a particular political slant, which I don't have), this "newspaper" is actively collaborating with other international interests to put the nail in Free Speech, via the Holocaust issue. Carto of Liberty Lobby fame (the bane of the ADL) is down for the count again, and unlike the last two or three times, he may not survive this one, probably because his supporters are thinning out from old age. Carto's main theme in life, which I got in person one day in 1993, is that the Holocaust has been co-opted by the National Security State for a variety of reasons, one of which is to curtail Free Speech (Holocaust deniers thrive on Free Speech), by passing laws everywhere that make it a criminal offense to "doubt the Holocaust". Again, my point isn't to argue any law, just to point out where change in the law is going to come from.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sun, 15 Dec 1996, Jim Wise wrote:
The Deviant wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Lucky Green wrote: Folks, Did you know that the Feds may legally test chemical and biological weapons on the civilian population as long as they give 30 days advance notice to
No, they can't. Development, testing, and use of Biological weapons is banned by the Geneva conventions (among others). International treaty outweighs USC.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Geneva conventions do not apply to nations acting upon their own citizens... This showed up in the legal wrangling over whether the brutality in Bosnia-Herzegovena was part of a civil war or a war between nations, and hence whether an international tribunal had authority...
True; the Geneva conventions only apply to use on other nation's citizenry, but i did note "among others". There are several more which ban development and testing of biological weapons (the names of which i cannot recall, they are mentioned in the nonfiction book "Hot Zone"). --Deviant PGP KeyID = E820F015 Fingerprint = 3D6AAB628E3DFAA9 F7D35736ABC56D39 "Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth." "Or by misleading the innocent." -- Spock and McCoy, "And The Children Shall Lead", stardate 5029.5. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMrQ79zCdEh3oIPAVAQFHgQf8CZ5hMveC1zoOgOyFg8nfXKMPdiju0URW K5iXjpZQSDm6vnTD+eUxynA9FBdhfOB8JKXj/U9VKf6zy7PyL0ZALqsb0tD0k8Y3 eQ1soo3XKVB4Ru2aSVD+Hywr/1NRViPDzaUZSriEA37moke+ChrR9aBcjjxtOE+Y +Z2asE5SYJDCTki/1N3+QVZqI9X2TX/QUpLmMgNyD523ihPeaBn85PR1bbx1rLFs spy+Xg1u/oTIK23rQkBAN+Nd6V+fCuDirLoXnPkUs2PUjl44MwTJ76xQFiID4s9x JWYotVuohV6WAP1UvwzlG7ARN7JD6G8LtlGwTjdxrgkQdS3pOa7hXg== =oovV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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