Re: e$: The Book-Entry/Certificate Distinction
The other night I heard that some of the rules for selling stock have been changed to allow companies to sell stock directly to investors. I have been thinking that this may have the potential to support an interesting system. Imagine "Portfolio Accounts" with a debit-card like access method. Instead of paying for an item at a store with money or credit you use your Portfolio-Account card and buy the item with shares/micro-shares of stock. Stock brokers may offer this type of service in response the competition of companies bypassing them. Stock brokers could setup services that mediate between transactions calculating trades and values "on-the-fly" (anonymity could be tricky to build into this system). If the company you worked for paid you with stock instead of money this would complete the loop. Portfolio Accounts could be "cashed out" but if they have all of the attributes of money and don't suffer from inflation why not keep your stock invested. This also has the interesting feature of avoiding all taxes. Until you "cash out" your account you would not have to pay taxes, if you never need cash out your account, you never need to pay taxes. I suspect that our friendly governments would try to "correct" this "problem" in the long run if they can. Steven Weller writes: [snip]
In such a system, where does credit come in? If I have a certificate that is worth X, then does the recipient know that it's from my "credit card"? How do I obtain credit, and in what form does it exist?
Could credit be supported by distributed futures market system?
Furthermore, how do we assess the value of real physical things in a system like this?
If you had a stock transaction mediated economy the "currency" in this system would be backed buy the goods and services produced by companies issuing stock. You could view stock in this system as private currencies, and there would be thousands of competing currencies. I have been thinking that this might be a viable path to denationalized currencies. Stock certificates could be based on crytographic verification protocols. If all the stock in this system were 'bearer-based' (i.e., you posess it you own it) you could also support cash-like anonymity as well.
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On Wed, 23 Aug 1995, Alan Penny wrote: [snip]>
This also has the interesting feature of avoiding all taxes. Until you "cash out" your account you would not have to pay taxes, if you never need cash out your account, you never need to pay taxes. I suspect that our friendly governments would try to "correct" this "problem" in the long run if they can.
Nyet. Any time you barter A for B, even electronically, you have a taxable event. All you have done in the above is describe a system in which it is harder to detect the taxable event. A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | mfroomki@umiami.ir.miami.edu U. Miami School of Law | P.O. Box 248087 | It's hot here. And humid. Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | See (experimentally & erratically) http://viper.law.miami.edu/~mfroomki
Income tax, right--but may not this be correct about excise taxes? MacN On Thu, 24 Aug 1995, Michael Froomkin wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 1995, Alan Penny wrote: [snip]>
This also has the interesting feature of avoiding all taxes. Until you "cash out" your account you would not have to pay taxes, if you never need cash out your account, you never need to pay taxes. I suspect that our friendly governments would try to "correct" this "problem" in the long run if they can.
Nyet. Any time you barter A for B, even electronically, you have a taxable event. All you have done in the above is describe a system in which it is harder to detect the taxable event.
A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | mfroomki@umiami.ir.miami.edu U. Miami School of Law | P.O. Box 248087 | It's hot here. And humid. Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | See (experimentally & erratically) http://viper.law.miami.edu/~mfroomki
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