Nature of Anarchy/ Anarchy of Nature

Sunday, May 18, 1997 - 20:46:37 MET Our form of gov't is based on the Judeo-Christian rooted belief in unalienable rights. (though the concepts has been around long befor judaism) These are rights endowed upon us by the life force, they are inherent in our creation and are subject only to the laws of the universe not by any king, or human leader, and so they cannot be taken away by or infringed on by any human leader or groups. The whole of the physical universe is bound by laws we do not make but can only seek to understand. Tuning in and acting in harmony with the laws of the universe furthers us in our development( ie agriculture). Exploiting the laws greedily leads to our destruction.(ie thoughtless industrialization). Furthering nature/the life force is good, opposing nature, seeking to conquer and exploit it, is bad from our human perspective. The constitution and bill of rights was the original AP document with a series of checks and balance designed to keep ultimate power, the right to speak out, organise, gather together, rise up and bear arms, in the hands of the people so no one group could impose the tyranny of their beliefs and the masses. I believe it is human nature to cast off the bonds of oppression. This is the assertion of the life force that always seeks to sustain and perpetuate itself in the greatest possible array of diversity. I believe this was a major quantum leap in the history of human thought and concioussness. A giant step in the right direction of our true divinity but it was sorely flawed; By the concept of property rights. This is where the founding fathers eogos got in the way. The liberation movements of the last century have been based on the same concept of unalienable rights and have attempted to fine tune the document for a more equitable distribution of planet power to correct the flaw. You don't need a weatherman or a clinton to know which way the wind blows. You don't need to be literate to know who is taking what from whom. You don't need a judge to tell you right from wrong. you have instincts that can tell you just fine. Religion in the earliest sense was the bringing together of the group in an understanding of their commonanlity and uniqueness in a way that stirred up ones feelings of awe for the power of the universe in order that we would discover our commonality while at the same time instilling a repect for each of our uniqness. So we could be inspired to submit to our inner and outer natures and act in harmony with it and show benevolence in our relations with each other. This is the ultimate anarchist, a ninja warrior of natures rainbow, who fights to defend the unalienable rights endowed on all by life force. I believe that most of the folks on this list aspire to a form of self govt. A belief and trust in the anarchy of nature tempered with the benevloence brought about by the recognition of our common humanity. A state of affairs where each is a ninja/captain of their own soul. Who recognize the inhernet rights of all and act accordingly without coercion or direction from an outside source, for the laws of the universe are within us. Who respect the rights of the individual and can let them that would destroy themselves destroy, themselves and them that would live to live. To live and let live and live and let die. I believe the network is the link to the next level of evolution of human thought and self gov't. A new religion where we can rediscover our common humanity and regroup as a planet, as the one human tribe. A way to explore our comon roots and learn and develop appreciation and respect for our differences. Where in spite of all efforts to propagandize and spread hate our commanality will emerge. Where all voices can be heard and equitable solutions worked out. Not by "sheeple" but by people allowing their primal natural instincts to govern their actions to be it to shun, support or defend or defeat someone or something. We are retaking repsonsibility for our selves and our fellow humans. Again, you don't need a Weatherman or an FBI man to know which way the wind blows. Look outside your window then look inside your window. Rainbow Warrior

At 5:52 PM -0500 5/18/97, William H. Geiger III wrote:
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In <199705182225.PAA03246@fat.doobie.com>, on 05/18/97 at 04:25 PM, nobody@huge.cajones.com (Huge Cajones Remailer) said:
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I believe this was a major quantum leap in the history of human thought and concioussness. A giant step in the right direction of our true divinity but it was sorely flawed; By the concept of property rights. This is where the founding fathers eogos got in the way.
The liberation movements of the last century have been based on the same concept of unalienable rights and have attempted to fine tune the document for a more equitable distribution of planet power to correct the flaw.
<sigh> There is a fundamental fact of politics/economics that a socialist economy and a democratic political structure can not co-exsist.
The concept of property rights is not a flaw but the foundation on which the constitution and this country is built on. Without the ability to controll ones own property all other rights fall by the wayside.
I sugest reading "The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith for a better understanding of Capitalism and why it is the *only* economic model that works for a free society.
Even better, "The Road to Surfdom," F.A. Hayek, totally debunks the basis of a planned economy and how the loss of property ownership and economic freedom leads directly and inevitably to totalitarianism. --Steve PGP mail preferred Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 Key available on BAL server, http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 First ECache Corporation | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: azur@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- I know not what instruments others may use, but as for me, give me Ecache or give me debt. SHOW ME THE DIGITS!

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <v03007802afa54d564265@[10.0.2.15]>, on 05/18/97 at 06:25 PM, Steve Schear <azur@netcom.com> said:
At 5:52 PM -0500 5/18/97, William H. Geiger III wrote:
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In <199705182225.PAA03246@fat.doobie.com>, on 05/18/97 at 04:25 PM, nobody@huge.cajones.com (Huge Cajones Remailer) said:
[New Age Snip]
I believe this was a major quantum leap in the history of human thought and concioussness. A giant step in the right direction of our true divinity but it was sorely flawed; By the concept of property rights. This is where the founding fathers eogos got in the way.
The liberation movements of the last century have been based on the same concept of unalienable rights and have attempted to fine tune the document for a more equitable distribution of planet power to correct the flaw.
<sigh> There is a fundamental fact of politics/economics that a socialist economy and a democratic political structure can not co-exsist.
The concept of property rights is not a flaw but the foundation on which the constitution and this country is built on. Without the ability to controll ones own property all other rights fall by the wayside.
I sugest reading "The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith for a better understanding of Capitalism and why it is the *only* economic model that works for a free society.
Even better, "The Road to Surfdom," F.A. Hayek, totally debunks the basis of a planned economy and how the loss of property ownership and economic freedom leads directly and inevitably to totalitarianism.
Yes, very good read. Have you read any of his other works? I thought that Smith was a good start as it was his economic philosophy that guided our founding fathers. I find it rather depressing that too few people understand the relationships between economics & politics and how they affect the freedom of the individule. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii@amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: Double your drive space! Delete Windows! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM3+vG49Co1n+aLhhAQFYqwP/QhvSAkfCuw/XYgfbK0vvf7i2dVrDLH0K iOBc2S9dhy23eFBGGQ4VurkmCdvrl5nylVu8dfjC5EgiwQ+Zf/AKxqB7h8tlvdOK EfME7E7kWhULAgjz1Z7nAidLpl7Qu7uCEe38NNUUnGNMCvwAoK5EsOKootnEiwa/ yAZQJjw68sM= =FIaH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Sun, 18 May 1997, William H. Geiger III wrote:
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In <v03007802afa54d564265@[10.0.2.15]>, on 05/18/97 at 06:25 PM, Steve Schear <azur@netcom.com> said:
At 5:52 PM -0500 5/18/97, William H. Geiger III wrote:
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In <199705182225.PAA03246@fat.doobie.com>, on 05/18/97 at 04:25 PM, nobody@huge.cajones.com (Huge Cajones Remailer) said:
[New Age Snip]
I believe this was a major quantum leap in the history of human thought and concioussness. A giant step in the right direction of our true divinity but it was sorely flawed; By the concept of property rights. This is where the founding fathers eogos got in the way.
The liberation movements of the last century have been based on the same concept of unalienable rights and have attempted to fine tune the document for a more equitable distribution of planet power to correct the flaw.
<sigh> There is a fundamental fact of politics/economics that a socialist economy and a democratic political structure can not co-exsist.
The concept of property rights is not a flaw but the foundation on which the constitution and this country is built on. Without the ability to controll ones own property all other rights fall by the wayside.
I sugest reading "The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith for a better understanding of Capitalism and why it is the *only* economic model that works for a free society.
Even better, "The Road to Surfdom," F.A. Hayek, totally debunks the basis of a planned economy and how the loss of property ownership and economic freedom leads directly and inevitably to totalitarianism.
Yes, very good read. Have you read any of his other works?
I thought that Smith was a good start as it was his economic philosophy that guided our founding fathers.
I find it rather depressing that too few people understand the relationships between economics & politics and how they affect the freedom of the individule.
Or more succinctly put: "Without private property there can be no privacy" -anonymous (how appropriate - anonymous quotes on cypherpunks) Jim Burnes

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199705182225.PAA03246@fat.doobie.com>, on 05/18/97 at 04:25 PM, nobody@huge.cajones.com (Huge Cajones Remailer) said: [New Age Snip]
I believe this was a major quantum leap in the history of human thought and concioussness. A giant step in the right direction of our true divinity but it was sorely flawed; By the concept of property rights. This is where the founding fathers eogos got in the way.
The liberation movements of the last century have been based on the same concept of unalienable rights and have attempted to fine tune the document for a more equitable distribution of planet power to correct the flaw.
<sigh> There is a fundamental fact of politics/economics that a socialist economy and a democratic political structure can not co-exsist. The concept of property rights is not a flaw but the foundation on which the constitution and this country is built on. Without the ability to controll ones own property all other rights fall by the wayside. I sugest reading "The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith for a better understanding of Capitalism and why it is the *only* economic model that works for a free society. [More New Age Sniped] - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii@amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: How do you spell relief? OS/2! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM3+Z4I9Co1n+aLhhAQEsIwQAyYw2xh1jCmSaonXiwmY1FWNQ4DhW8/nt oH+O1wT8537lnxZG23bYybozYl03cEWkhyGGu0dDEF1QSPyZ5SKiBr5RbUuTBHiO LXitz0wz1SlNvS7lah0aoIRzSKThsUdKu8F1mlMtFvyRrCTWt0kYGi+wB1JF3zSe rhe+HAZKi1w= =YlzZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Jim Burnes
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William H. Geiger III