Re: Internet Privacy Guaranteed ad (POTP Jr.)
Perhaps you should apply for an export license for your software. I'm sure that the ability to use your system across national borders fits nicely within your marketing strategy. To do so, you simply submit your product to the U.S. National Security Agency, and submit a Commodity Jurisdiction application to the State Department. After the NSA evaluates its security, you'll be able to sell your product overseas. Please see pages 610-618 of Applied Cryptography, Second Edition for general information on the process. By the way, you might note that Cypherpunks is only a mailing list, there is no way to get the signed consent of everyone on the list to agree to anything, much less formal rules of a contest. My suggestion is to post the OTP-expansion algorithm to sci.crypt. It's really in all of our best interests to have the greatest number of people examining your product. Think of the publicity it will generate. Your work will remain protected with whatever patents or copyrights you have applied for. This approach is nothing new, RC2 and RC4 were both posted to sci.crypt. Both are in wider use today because of it. Both algorithms stood up to many people's tight scrutiny. I think your algorithm should be given the chance to do the same. Dan ************************************************************************** Support your local info-calypse dan@milliways.org "The Internet cannot be regulated. It's not that laws aren't relevant, it's that the nation state is not relevant." Nicholas Negroponte, 1996 The Cypherpunks: Civil liberties through complex mathematics. **************************************************************************
Dan, We do not asked that all the people on the Cypherpunks mailing list sign anything - not even the ones that particpate in the testing - they sign nothing and agree to nothing other than to be intellectually honest - there is nothing for anyone to sign - We have complied with Derek's request, why are so many of you starting to protest - are you afraid of the truth? Obviously so - or you would not be so timid - some of you have snapped at the opportunity to test the system, the others are obviously skating backwards as fast as they can, Appreciatively, Ralph Converstaion between Ralph and Charles Metzger, paraphrase - Charles Metzger, was a brillant Docturate of Applied Mathematics, who was blinded duribng his twenties - he became a programmer, using punched cards at first and later braille Ralph: You amaze me Charles, you are the most precisioned programmer that I know - I bet 20% of your programs run the first time. Charles: Not that much, probably more like 10%, you know what Panchatantra said ? Ralph: No what? Charles: Knowledge is the true organ of sight, not the eyes. Ralph: I could not agree more - It is obvious that some Cypherpunks true vision are not nearly so astute as Charles was - not nearly, they are blinded by their arbitrary dogmatism
Dan Bailey writes:
My suggestion is to post the OTP-expansion algorithm to sci.crypt.
Call it what it is -- a pseudo-random number generator, at best. As you likely know (but the IPG folks don't seem to care) you can't "expand" a one time pad. One time means ONE TIME. Look at how the NSA broke the Venona intercepts of of even two-time use of keying material. Perry
Perry: "Stubborness and dogmatism are the surest signs of stupidity - is there anything more resolute and disdainful than an ass!" Montaigne You have an yellow streak down your back infinitely wide - you may or may not be a physical coward but you are certainly an intellectual coward - you have the opportunity to save human lives, as you asserted and you just brushed that asside - Who said that we are expanding OTP's - we are using them to drive RNG's please read my mail back and forth with Derek and Roy Silvernail, I belive that both of then recognize that an extremely large key, 2 to some large number, let us say for the time being 2 to 12288 bits can be derived from a OTP when generated- If you ever learn to listen, then you might recognize that there might be more to this than meets the eye - you have been given the opportunity to save all these lives - so do so - break our system and prove what fakers we are - no, you are afraid of that- you want to sit on the sidelines and cheer, cheer on the homew team - a spectator, afraid of the truth athat wants to hide behind some stupid dogms that he spouts on and on - come on Perry, show us how easy it is to break the system - save all those lives that you were talking about
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Who said that we are expanding OTP's -
I believe you did, when you stated that your "OTP" (and I am only using "OTP" in this case to point up your misusage of the term, and not to claim that what you are doing is any such thing) is used to seed your "RNG" (another misnomer).
we are using them to drive RNG's please read my mail back and forth with Derek and Roy Silvernail,
Do remember that the majority of my mail has not been copied to the list.
I belive that both of then recognize that an extremely large key, 2 to some large number, let us say for the time being 2 to 12288 bits can be derived from a OTP when generated-
Not a chance, slick. A One-Time Pad is well defined within the art, and your PRNG system is no such thing. I will thank you to not postulate what I may or may not recognize. - -- Roy M. Silvernail -- roy@cybrspc.mn.org will do just fine, thanks. "Does that not fit in with your plans?" -- Mr Wiggen, of Ironside and Malone (Monty Python) PGP public key available upon request (send yours) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMSwTVhvikii9febJAQEtpgP+MqcESnrisA8tYT+GulGamEhMIa9gTKAn Dc1ylyG4pgMRW+osZnnBJcWeZq8Yx7aTzteTmkNYmpXZP9liVaySSOVce36ORG4X BnRO2OGLI3JD8ssgMbifxbZay/00bDdCuMthGnXA+xKAW27p9i9tHLrPIyJhdjZa Jd3rHWCqwCc= =Cx0p -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
IPG Sales writes:
Perry:
"Stubborness and dogmatism are the surest signs of stupidity - is there anything more resolute and disdainful than an ass!" Montaigne
They laughed at Fulton, but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. You, however, aren't funny. You're basically a laetrille salesman.
Who said that we are expanding OTP's - we are using them to drive RNG's
1) Anything used to drive an algorithm is a KEY. A One Time Pad is not something you use as the key for a PSEUDO-random number generator. Use the term KEY and not OTP. 2) The term is PSEUDO-random number generator, not random number generator. Software cannot produce truly random numbers. It can at best take a key for use as a seed in doing so.
If you ever learn to listen, then you might recognize that there might be more to this than meets the eye
There is less than meets the eye. All you guys are doing is running a PRNG stream cipher from what I can tell. Who knows how bad it is given the rest of your competence. Your babbling about "wheels" and "prime numbers" makes one wonder.
you have been given the opportunity to save all these lives
If I actually feel you are a threat to anyone, I'll simply let your local police and prosecutor take care of you. I have better things to do with my time than bargain with con men. Perry
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