Re: Storm Signals
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Sam Kaplin writes:
Todd Masco writes:
1: Somebody's roommate (a Green Beret) has been called back into 6 months of active service. He was not told where he'd be.
Perhaps Bosnia?
I doubt it. The only sort of Bosnian engagement that might make sense would involve a fairly conspicuous effort with a large number of troops. I can't see what a few thousand Green Berets could accomplish there. Frankly, I'm quite puzzled by these signs. I can't think of any country that seems due for a quick invasion by the USG, but the increase in granularity of the GPS information suggests an operation of greater magnitude than just a strike against terrorists, drug cartels etc. Is it time for Bay of Pigs II already ? ;) -L. Futplex McCarthy - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLxOY7Gf7YYibNzjpAQF7nwP+KUk7o1bpM76wmGrzv+KZIgi8kby1XHIj 4FzXLLZGLC8bVGGniv1NkLR76XH6HeLfWpaJu4LeCCBE6RbsgUD+bqEQeTdijpVg OJzOWM/Rt6/vTJT+/yiVpFBbPDgG1sXvy4SlQX0wSATNzjbdNHxoorory1fOmjRi 6RF2tHYFbTM= =Yk81 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLxOZ9ioZzwIn1bdtAQFF/QGAiqkCeSwdxCMlF0AeO6jOJkaxKQ4EAe68 +AYM/slciv3rbqrkw6nRf19LM7AmXBsG =lDeV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
L. McCarthy wrote:
Sam Kaplin writes:
Todd Masco writes:
1: Somebody's roommate (a Green Beret) has been called back into 6 months of active service. He was not told where he'd be.
Perhaps Bosnia?
I doubt it. The only sort of Bosnian engagement that might make sense would involve a fairly conspicuous effort with a large number of troops. I can't see what a few thousand Green Berets could accomplish there.
Frankly, I'm quite puzzled by these signs. I can't think of any country that seems due for a quick invasion by the USG, but the increase in granularity of the GPS information suggests an operation of greater magnitude than just a strike against terrorists, drug cartels etc.
CNN reported on Monday that U.S. troops are being sent back to Somalia to ensure and orderly and safe withdrawal of U.N. peacekeeping forces. This might explain the few thousand Green Berets being sent, if this is so. About the GPS, I have nok idea, though it seems plausible. I know this has no Cypherpunks relevance, but I see a lot of speculation, so I thought adding what CNN is reporting might help. --Tim -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. Cypherpunks list: majordomo@toad.com with body message of only: subscribe cypherpunks. FAQ available at ftp.netcom.com in pub/tc/tcmay
Tim May writes:
This might explain the few thousand Green Berets being sent, if this is so. About the GPS, I have nok idea, though it seems plausible.
According to a couple of friends who are evaluating use of GPS for precisely locating radio transmissions the usual selective availablity dither is still turned on and there have been no public announcements about any changes in the status of the C/A (public) part of the system. The P code part of the system is only available to the military and announcements about it may not be made from the usual USCG BBS that carries stuff about the civilian signals, but they know nothing about any change in GPS status recently, nor has there been any change in the amount of dither or its (random) nature. Dave Emery
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Not relevant to cypherpunks-- just call me Carol Anne-- If I were the DOD, I would set the standard GPS default to selective availability. After all, with SA on military receivers can still get fine positioning data. If someone could come up with a good reason to turn SA off, great, but I wouldn't leave it on otherwise. The scenarios concerning GPS-piloted Cessnas full of nasty stuff come to mind, especially vis-a-vis the North Koreans. They probably don't have accurate IRBMs but they certainly could cobble together a Learjet-based delivery system. - -Paul - -- Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG | Good software engineering doesn't reduce the perobich@ingr.com | amount of work you put into a product; it just Not speaking for Intergraph. | redistributes it differently. ### http://www.intergraph.com ### -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLxQqpafb4pLe9tolAQGMfAP/WeMcDorjNsko7Qcvb34lPdg30/IHSJNV FoG2DOjwyBJhopHeeEpzzm629U2y7jM5+ipoTNl6DLh5tjJ3gQVfi0Lz6b/iyL+j iXH4F15Hws55g07ZRQ9r+JGTL33mP5G1RAg/dfeXixvS2uXTWSknF37tQdVZFpzA 2USM2cnEsPU= =71jL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Paul Robichaux wrote:
If I were the DOD, I would set the standard GPS default to selective availability. After all, with SA on military receivers can still get fine positioning data. If someone could come up with a good reason to turn SA off, great, but I wouldn't leave it on otherwise.
This gets discussed to death over on the sci.geo.satellite-nav group. The consensus is that you don't want to advertise your intentions, but political considerations have always overridden practicalities.
The scenarios concerning GPS-piloted Cessnas full of nasty stuff come to mind, especially vis-a-vis the North Koreans. They probably don't have accurate IRBMs but they certainly could cobble together a Learjet-based delivery system.
This too gets discussed to death over on the sci.geo.satellite-nav group. The consensus is that a car-bomb is cheaper and more reliable, and needs nothing more than a street-directory for navigation. -- Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) | dave@esi.com.au | VK2KFU @ VK2AAB.NSW.AUS.OC | PGP 2.6 Opinions expressed are mine. | E7 FE 97 88 E5 02 3C AE 9C 8C 54 5B 9A D4 A0 CD
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199501110842.DAA07468@bb.hks.net>, you wrote:
[BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE] [BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE] Sam Kaplin writes:
Perhaps Bosnia?
I doubt it. The only sort of Bosnian engagement that might make sense would involve a fairly conspicuous effort with a large number of troops. I can't see what a few thousand Green Berets could accomplish there.
Frankly, I'm quite puzzled by these signs. I can't think of any country that seems due for a quick invasion by the USG, but the increase in granularity of the GPS information suggests an operation of greater magnitude than just a strike against terrorists, drug cartels etc.
Is it time for Bay of Pigs II already ? ;)
Perhaps it is two unrelated events. Maybe the Russians are using GPS in their attack on Chechnya, and the administration decided "Not on our dime." The call up could possibly be related to the repatriacion of the Hatian boat people or even a continued presence in Hatii. I think Atistede still needs lots of proping up. The Ton-Ton Macoutes, from Baby Doc and Papa Doc's dictatorship were the police and military of the previous one. They just vanished into the population. Its almost the perfect guerilla force, just the thing the berets are into. This would be much more likely if the individual was of African decent. From what I have heard, prior to any military action in Hatii, we had a sizable force of Special Forces, Green Berets and other elete troops in place. Most of them were black. This was because they blended in with the populace. Perhaps the forces on the ground needed to be rotated and personnel came up short. I don't know...but if it is anything we, should find out real soon. Manditory crypto thought...I wonder if the government has taken any steps to prevent the INTERNET from being used for C3 functions, like it was used during the gulf war by Iraq. (I know...I know...pretty weak, but the communications has to have been encrypted. :) ) Sam BTW-You always do this to me Louis...I was just going to go to bed, and boom I'm up another hour. Grrrrrrrrrrr ;) - -- ============================================================================== skaplin@skypoint.com | Finger skaplin@infinity.c2.org for | a listing of crypto related files PGP encrypted mail is accepted and | available on my auto-responder. preferred. | (Yes...the faqs are there!) | E-mail key@four11.com for PGP Key or | "...vidi vici veni" - Overheard Finger skaplin@mirage.skypoint.com | outside a Roman brothel. ============================================================================== And Lao-tse said: Those who know don't tell; those who tell don't know. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBLxOqjslnXxBRSgfNAQGcRQf/YGwkpnr/BU9ePaONuGYkCpEwyMun/ymM nyxLcAH919I55RFUiTUO/5OEeD3bzb/JLR/K6jWIEKKSG4xtu9v6GucDmI7xowZG h3BRecyT3GQ5I6axo2a9ORdSMRW0A9wvnd3fGlXD5Zt6oJtCP9YikDPH2v2JrkQQ QwLcLfFbyFzPWu0OIj41sj9kT7V1Kg23ChV7gBjsF1D99cMtBvPmbVRDVb2yGigX ClKa8NDFPhZVyTxjnoBqLOR1H22iJweUtZ51KkQkjBkgp4OaB7477gwaSC9uzJJG 552OU4KX7NFFpdfl2EmpvfSQMV7W2YUZQqzok6J5Vb5Ll/vYgsJ+5g== =Whh9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Samuel Kaplin <skaplin@mirage.skypoint.com> wrote:
Perhaps it is two unrelated events. Maybe the Russians are using GPS in their attack on Chechnya, and the administration decided "Not on our dime."
To clarify a little bit: I summarized wrongly. The GPS fine location has not been turned off, the dithering has been turned off. In essence, the GPS fine positioning usually lies in a particular algorithmic way designed to make determining exact locations extrememly difficult. In theory, the military GPS units bypass this dithering. Either it doesn't work or there aren't enough military units (I believe the latter is the official story), but GPS fine positioning has been turned off during times like the Iraq massacre and the Haiti invasion so that the military can use civilian units. In any case, it turns out that the Green Beret in question is being sent to Haiti. It doesn't explain the GPS, tho. There's lots-o-speculation elsewhere on the net. - - -- Todd Masco | "life without caution/ the only worth living / love for a man/ cactus@hks.net | love for a woman/ love for the facts/ protectless" - A Rich Cactus' Homepage - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLxP++hNhgovrPB7dAQGUowQAgvqyOzrVxCWnumcPQyPbrWnuxn+017Wf DBM/A5VCqyzj/wpZYgBydBwZknzEYd8vxLdt32j2rlhzswHCHdsvECuN7aer9S7t 69ZlrtPn1UKy5MvTUyAdvxh5Z8Zex1eenyYd8q+favmrAB9UmX4Sh1e4JkYqPRmP is2vZ8DgAIQ= =Lmyl - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLxQ5wCoZzwIn1bdtAQGWPgGAwLlWR8brXeavxwrV4CxvCK1XMZgCY8pq MixVBWLp0eti/cbmDzSS/8x9gle8PUgL =VtmS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199501112004.PAA12969@bb.hks.net>, you wrote:
to Haiti. It doesn't explain the GPS, tho. There's lots-o-speculation elsewhere on the net.
I wonder if this might be a response to the recent Korean downing of one of our choppers. Hand them all a civilian GPS and say "DON'T GET LOST!!!" Sam - -- ============================================================================== skaplin@skypoint.com | Finger skaplin@infinity.c2.org for | a listing of crypto related files PGP encrypted mail is accepted and | available on my auto-responder. preferred. | (Yes...the faqs are there!) | E-mail key@four11.com for PGP Key or | "...vidi vici veni" - Overheard Finger skaplin@mirage.skypoint.com | outside a Roman brothel. ============================================================================== Back off man, We're scientists!!! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBLxRaOslnXxBRSgfNAQG6Rwf+I8nRZ0JOS+UO+hVxTizWTX2AwlQok0vl 54Eqzact3HgyM6k8jC4yrAMNha042F7lxIBPjGvI8nWpKWCwvhV4WiK2+yvlYRrT 2ifJ/yrXhTzD/x27+VbPjpD2CyM2JfSYAb1U6RxMzmGa3FCC/dlNupQz6Gn8JebP Dxg3TLAzL8aZnq2vDcEBqL96/RQIY/l4ZP7fDG/on/QR5UaPr1s/kz0at0lnMIaq eSy14LpLH5oQYsI7sAfJy+Fh9Zdq0qtvFgnekFB73YZ/IGMiN8UuKVqUG35ExVcT 2qI3zhYjbyH6THNC2l8QkNlU/qSvErUUm2rvgYYZFHPSzf0uKwoZhw== =+uKC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
L. McCarthy writes:
Sam Kaplin writes:
Todd Masco writes:
1: Somebody's roommate (a Green Beret) has been called back into 6 months of active service. He was not told where he'd be. Perhaps Bosnia?
I doubt it. [...]
Frankly, I'm quite puzzled by these signs. I can't think of any country that seems due for a quick invasion by the USG, but the increase in granularity of the GPS information suggests an operation of greater magnitude than just a strike against terrorists, drug cartels etc.
Military action also requires political will, and with the recent change in power in the US govt there is no way anything is going to happen for at least six months. Freshmen congressmen do not sign off on a war the first month they get into Washington unless the populace is frothing at the mouth to kill someone, and that isn't happening. Clinton does not have the political pull to get anything related to military action through Congress at this time, and he can't afford to challenge a legislature he no longer controls so any call to arms is probably not coming from the Executive branch. I also doubt he would be stupid enough to try a "Commander in Chief" action and hope that the Republicans would forget who scores the popularity points in such an activity and back him up, the legislature would crucify him with the electorate for trying move like this. OTOH, Green Berets are not the kind of troops used for "strike" actions. Thier primary specialty is low-intensity conflict and working with indigenous armies. Given the current geopolitical situation it seems that Bosnia is the only conflict that the US population cares about at all that would call for the use of Green Berets. Then again, maybe the military is just trying to increase its readiness in the hopes that a Republican legislature will let them use thier toys again... jim
A paratrooper girl named Christina, had just finished paratrooper school at Ft. Bragg. She was headed to Mpls, right around Hallowween. Then we didn't hear from her for almost a month. Then came the Panama, troop action, over the Haitian refugees. She didn't get picked, so they let her come to Mpls, finally. If something goes quiet, you can be sure something's up. I'd start betting on a Cuban thing first, as Castro isn't getting any younger. The U.S. needs the insurgent people in Cuba rather than having them over here. That's my "guess". Registered<BETSI>BEllcore Trusted Software Integrity system programmer *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock "Give me your Tired, your Poor, your old PC's..." The TS NET REVOKED PGP KEY NO.0C91594D carolb@spring.com carolann@mm.com ************************************************************************ COMING SOON TO AN INTERNET NEWSGROUP NEAR YOU...............CENSORED.COM
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