Vladimir Z. Nuri, who is wasting our tax dollars, if he is paid government stooge, and wasting his own time, if he is not, wrote:

I generally agree that our democratic system has degenerated over the decades, to the point of being scary and dangerous in places.

And, in spite of this, you're going to suggest more of the "same old, same old" right?

however, we can ask, why did it get to that point? I believe it is a failure of the citizens to maintain the authority over their congressmen and president.

And every fairy tale has to include the words,

once upon a time, citizens saw congress and the president as their servants. it led to a particular kind of ideology reflected in the policies of the country.

over time, people gradually gave away this authority. they saw the president and congress as having authority over citizens, instead of vice versa.

A lot of people give away their televisions to burglars, and their wallets to armed robbers. The person with the largest weapon has the most authority.

TCM's idea of telling congress and the president to f*** off is actually, in my opinion, an extreme case of people giving away their authority. it is more of the same problem, not the solution. it is failing to address the root of the problem-- that the president and congress must be put in a subservient relationship to the desires of the citizens.

So you're about to suggest following Tim McVeigh's example, only at the White House, instead, right?

one must uncreate the monster in the same ways it was created.

Right. It began life at the point of a gun, and that's the way it should end when the monster begans feeding on those who created it.

I commend CDT and all other online groups for their organizational motives and drive, and condemn TCM for his pissing on them. what is he doing?

Sounds like a good, old-fashioned cypherpunks pissing contest to me. Better lay in extra beer.

if something is broken, do you fix it, or abandon it? or shoot it? TCM is always advocating the latter two. it's not a solution, and he knows it, and everyone else here knows it too.

This is wonderful! At last the cypherpunks have a leader who can speak for all of us. When does the New List Moderation begin? I'm going to have to lay in a whole shitload of beer for this round. PissMonger & his corporate schill pooch, Spudz