(1) PRZ excluded (2) PM vs. LD (3) grand jury procedure
I was thinking. What is the significance that PRZ was not actually cited in any subpoena so far? This is very puzzling. It seems to contradict the theory that the investigation is primarily PGP oriented. On one hand, we might attribute it to the idea that the grand jury & the Attorneys don't have a very clear idea of what exactly is going on with PGP anyway, which would fit in with some of the tidbits I've posted. The president of ViaCrypt *was* subpoenaed -- but he has only been in associated with PGP for a few weeks, since the commercial announcement. But, still, how could they *not* query PRZ if they are inquiring on PGP? This is what I call a `conspicuous omission'. Also, the targeting of ViaCrypt and not PRZ directly is very interesting to contemplate. It definitely suggests that the move of PGP to a commercial company was critical in the timing of the subpoenas. Was it critical in convening a grand jury in the first place? what is it about the situation that caused action after a company was involved? are relevant laws only applicable to companies, not individuals? surely not, but there is very likely something going on here beneath the surface. (BTW, let the record show I have only replied directly to PM's voluminous onslaught of public flames [to say nothing of my vast, superb private collection] in one message on the list, which I think is sufficient [or more precisely, nothing could be sufficient, but it is the minimum]. If there is any `bickering' going on beyond this, it is only the reader's fertile imagination that I was *engaged* [*targeted*? definitely]. Or, feel free to cite the messages to contradict me, in email. I say all this only because I fear I am becoming a symbol in everyone's psyche of any message that challenges PM, no matter who wrote it, quite to the contrary of actual developments.) Here's a bit more which is helpful in describing a grand jury investigation (although I'd like to see more) from someone who gives me too much credit :) ===cut=here=== Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 11:49:33 -0400 From: [...] To: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu Subject: Re: more musings You are absolutely right about the Grand Jury proceedings. They are simply a fact finding venture. They are secret hearings and I doubt that Phil Zimmerman will even be able to talk about the proceedings after they are done. In addition to this, you are also correct that attorneys are not permitted inside the grand jury hearing (although the witness may leave the room to confer with the attorney). Once inside the room, you will only have the Grand Jury (of 23 people I believe) and the D.A. While it may seem nice to believe that Phil Zimmerman will be able to make a grand Perry Mason like speech in front of the Grand Jury. In reality, he will be under the control of the D.A. and will probably not have much of a chance to say much of anything except to answer the questions of the D.A. On the last point, yes you are also right, since the Grand Jury is NOT a criminal trial. Any evidence that would normally be held as illegally obtained, or just generally inadmissable in court (ie. hearsay) is perfectly acceptable for a Grand Jury, and I'm sure that it will be used. The grand jury's only purpose is to pass either an indictment (called a True Bill ) or no indictment, they are not there to determine guilt.
"L. Detweiler" says:
I was thinking. What is the significance that PRZ was not actually cited in any subpoena so far? This is very puzzling. It seems to
I wonder what the significance of L. Detweiler's name is? Obviously its a Germanic name. Perhaps he's a Nazi... in fact, he might be the
contradict the theory that the investigation is primarily PGP oriented. On one hand, we might attribute it to the idea that the grand jury &
reincarnation of all Nazis, somehow having been transfered into a single body via the transmigration of souls. We certainly know from
the Attorneys don't have a very clear idea of what exactly is going on with PGP anyway, which would fit in with some of the tidbits I've
open yogic literature that the transmigration of souls is possible. Then there is his mysterious first name, which, as we know, starts
posted. The president of ViaCrypt *was* subpoenaed -- but he has only been in associated with PGP for a few weeks, since the commercial
with an "L", which is the first letter in the name "Lucifer" too, which is both a cryptosystem AND the name of the Lord of Hell. Could
announcement. But, still, how could they *not* query PRZ if they are inquiring on PGP? This is what I call a `conspicuous omission'.
this possibly be a coincidence? No way! In fact, I suspect that the people who developed it at IBM must in fact be Satanists, as is
Also, the targeting of ViaCrypt and not PRZ directly is very interesting to contemplate. It definitely suggests that the move of PGP
evinced by fact that "IBM" is a three letter acronym, and "GOD" is a three letter word, but "IBM" is certainly not "GOD", and what could be
to a commercial company was critical in the timing of the subpoenas. Was it critical in convening a grand jury in the first place? what is
further from GOD than the devil! Perhaps, in fact, this is a conspiracy between the minions of Satan and the transmigrated souls of
it about the situation that caused action after a company was involved? are relevant laws only applicable to companies, not individuals? surely
the Nazis I mentioned earlier! Then there is the odd coincidence of no one ever having seen "L. Detweiler" and Jim Bidzos' mother in the same
not, but there is very likely something going on here beneath the surface.
(BTW, let the record show I have only replied directly to PM's
place at once. Could this possibly be a coincidence? I doubt it. I suspect that the Grey Aliens may be involved in this, having failed in
voluminous onslaught of public flames [to say nothing of my vast, superb private collection] in one message on the list, which I think is
their attempt to capture Contraterra by placing it in an equilateral relationship with earth and Jupiter, it appears that they have decided
sufficient [or more precisely, nothing could be sufficient, but it is the minimum]. If there is any `bickering' going on beyond this, it is
instead to kidnap Jim Bidzos' mother and brainwash her into thinking she was "L. Detweiler"! She may not even know she is being used this
only the reader's fertile imagination that I was *engaged* [*targeted*? definitely]. Or, feel free to cite the messages to contradict me, in
way! I still, however, don't quite yet know how this meshes with the Nazis and the satanists, but I've been rifling through the garbage
email. I say all this only because I fear I am becoming a symbol in everyone's psyche of any message that challenges PM, no matter who
cans behind the Seeley Wintersmith Mudd building at Miskatonic University, and I'm certain that the papers may show up any day now
wrote it, quite to the contrary of actual developments.)
which prove the links between these nefarious forces.
"L. Detweiler" says:
I was thinking. What is the significance that PRZ was not actually cited in any subpoena so far? This is very puzzling. It seems to
I wonder what the significance of L. Detweiler's name is? Obviously its a Germanic name. Perhaps he's a Nazi... in fact, he might be the
[...] What was the point of this letter? Is this example output of a new stegonagrphy program you just wrote? where can I get it? Do you know mr. subliminal from saturday night live? Can I meet him? Can I have a porsche ?
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