What is the tempriture in hell today?

The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed from available data. Our authority is Isaiah 30:26, "Moreover, the light of the Moon shall be as the light of the Sun and the light of the Sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days." Thus Heaven receives from the Moon as much radiation as we do from the Sun, and in addition seven times seven (49) times as much as the Earth does from the Sun, or fifty times in all. The light we receive from the Moon is one ten-thousandth of the light we receive from the Sun, so we can ignore that. With these data we can compute the temperature of Heaven. The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses fifty times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann law for radiation, (H/E)^4 = 50, where E is the absolute temperature of the earth (-300K), gives H as 798K (525C). The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed, but it must be less than 444.6C, the temperature at which brimstone or sulphur changes from a liquid to a gas. Revelations 21:8 says "But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, or 444.6C (Above this point it would be a vapor, not a lake.) We have, then, that Heaven, at 525C is hotter than Hell at 445C. -- "Applied Optics", vol. 11, A14, 1972 Sorry, fortune must be invoked in times of mailing list heresy. Bradley Reynolds breynolds@harborcom.net ber@cwru.edu PGP Fingerprint: 73 17 77 08 8A 72 DB 45 76 28 C5 5A 97 52 26 PGP Public Key: http://www.harborcom.net/~breynolds/pgp.html

Wait -- so you're saying they *didn't* do the right thing with RSACi? BTW, we should differentiate generally between state action and private action. Getting fucked by Microsoft != getting fucked by the government. This is Libertarianism 101. Of course, I admit today the distinction was blurry. -Declan On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, William H. Geiger III wrote:

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In <Pine.GSO.3.95.970716193112.16504K-100000@well.com>, on 07/16/97 at 07:31 PM, Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com> said:

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Kudos to Microsoft for doing the right thing.

Well if Microsoft was intrested in doing the right thing they would not be involded with RSACi at all.

There seems to be a prevelent attitude in the INet community that when getting fucked by the government we should thank them for only sticking it in half-way.

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At 8:54 am -0400 on 7/18/97, Duncan Frissell wrote:

But how many divisions does Mr. Bill have?

Let's see... How much did that trip to see Clinton on Martha's Vinyard cost last year? The price of a jet flight and luxocondo rent? Whatever campaign / GAK consideration Mr. Bill gave Clinton/Gore '96 at the time certainly called off an entire anti-trust action by the Justice Department in a big hurry. One could say it netted him all Mirosoft stock appreciation since, about $18 billion, says Forbes this week. Of course, payback's a bitch, as we're finding out now in the current campaign to "save our children from the Internet". To answer your question, Duncan, Mr. Bill could just go to Bill96 and call up an Army division anywhere he wanted, I bet, but, frankly, he's much more likely to ask for Microsoft Internet 99 (nee' Internet II) instead. Complete, of course, with a brand new feature: Book-Entry Routing(tm). Payback would be a bitch, again, but it's not Mr. Bill who's paying, is it? Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com), Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

: BTW, we should differentiate generally between state action and private : action. Getting fucked by Microsoft != getting fucked by the government. : This is Libertarianism 101. Of course, I admit today the distinction was : blurry.

Corporations are just parts of the government that got away. I have never understood why some, though far from all, libertarians bother to distinguish them from the other organs of the state.

If I read this the right way I would suppose that you are saying that a corporate agreement to include rating systems in all browsers would be on a par with mandated inclusion pushed through by the government. Not so: The government uses force and violence to make individuals and companies do it`s bidding, if the government did not enforce laws they wouldn`t be wrong, because there would be no act of agression. Assuming a large company such as M$ were to decide any company not including rating systems in their browsers could be fined by M$, then that would be a similar situation to the one currently experienced with the government. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul@crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul@cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

At 5:15 am -0400 on 7/17/97, Peter D. Junger wrote:

Corporations are just parts of the government that got away. I have never understood why some, though far from all, libertarians bother to distinguish them from the other organs of the state.

There is considerable logic to this, viz: 1. Corporations would not exist without government charter. Consequently they have to do what governments want them to do. Being incorporated in a number of jurisdictions helps with this, of course. 2. There are partnership options which get the same level of limited liability, we talked about them here two or three years ago... 3. If governments dissapeared tomorrow (heh...), then business would still happen, and large businesses would still exist given the economics of scale inherent in our still-moderately industrial society. Geodesic internet commerce will probably involve 'swarms' of small business entities operating in cash-settled auction markets for goods and services, and so the need for the integrative function corporations provide for resources and information will eventually dissolve... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com), Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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At 10:52 AM 7/17/97 +1000, ? the Platypus {aka David Formosa} wrote:

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When microsoft has more power and money then most goverments I begin to see no real difference between president Bill gates and any other totalrion dictator.

But how many divisions does Mr. Bill have?

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There seems to be a prevelent attitude in the INet community that when getting fucked by the government we should thank them for only sticking it in half-way.

ObTastelessCypherpunkJoke: Q. What do you do if a woman says "give me 12 inches and hurt me"? A. Stick it in half way and punch her.... Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul@crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul@cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"