Re: CDT Policy Post 3.08 - Senate Committee Approves Key Crypto Bill
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:44:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Charles Platt
From: "Shabbir J. Safdar"
We owe them a great big debt of thanks, not the derision that goes with Alice in Wonderland political punditry.
They did what they did because they thought it was in their interests; otherwise they wouldn't have done it. We owe them nothing, and I am horrified to see this phrase. How much do you owe a parasite that tries to negotiate with other parasites to take slightly less of your blood than they originally expected? Statements similar to yours have been made so many times, scolding "extremists" for "not being realistic." I seem to remember something about extremism in defense of liberty being no vice, and moderation no virtue. Either way, if you compromise, you don't get what you want. That is absolutely obvious. So why compromise?
On Fri, Jun 20, 1997 at 04:50:16PM -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Platt
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Statements similar to yours have been made so many times, scolding "extremists" for "not being realistic." I seem to remember something about extremism in defense of liberty being no vice, and moderation no virtue. Either way, if you compromise, you don't get what you want. That is absolutely obvious. So why compromise?
Because half a million dollars is better than no dollars? Because in real life the vast majority of choices are not binary? Because in real life you have to live with someone as intransigent as you? The real question is: What is the most *effective* way for achieving your ends. "No compromise" negotiaton can be effective at either end of the power scale (if you hold *all* the cards there is no point in compromising; if you hold *no* cards there is no point in compromising). In this case your "no compromise" stand is the reflective of the "no cards" position -- "we've already lost so we might as well go down guns blazing." However, others do not see the situation as bleakly as you do. -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html
Because half a million dollars is better than no dollars? Because in real life the vast majority of choices are not binary? Because in real life you have to live with someone as intransigent as you?
Intransigence is no excuse for being wrong, nor does it make it any less a crime to censor or pronounce imperatives.
However, others do not see the situation as bleakly as you do.
Rubbish, there can be no place for compromise where issues as clear cut as censorship or GAK are concerned. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul@crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul@cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"
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