Does anyone actually believe Blacknet exists this is about the umpteenth time I have heard about some kind of Blackmarket internet traders that are very had to find. It sounds like something out of that Gibson book "Virtual Light" Reuben Halper -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQCPAi16KosAAAEEAMUwRni4a9+GbuAhHDLcBWK60hCJUYxhr2hYokpELAhx0ejp 2fq61Tu9Hjn051CN8Xy5nu6sv2ODfG/t59l4DJSb5pirQaII3zaX0rMX0ydwGDoW YakL4ow1lNY+d/k14KpIuUW404+fNuNhIGSkdVLQIfbOgh0preK7/P44AKvdABEB AAG0JlJldWJlbiBIYWxwZXIgPGZoYWxwZXJAcGlsb3Qubmppbi5uZXQ+iQCVAgUQ Lam+x9xF3PzIgw7tAQHPogP/VmoF5AHJNBFlpxl1tvHAzrMLE8nkpengs94Y8zmF 1r5+hk0TaYeEEUzYf1QNfflya5md3WKeXnI3WhO2SRpdH953AD/tNmxw2LLEegat 5sI1XNPuNqxeompiHFRnCz4dI14qjDvRwnPay187/Q5q2F3m0nP8qA6wgl59mDq3 FuCJAJUCBRAteitx4rv8/jgAq90BARTHBACh99OJtGXATm01BUa+u6WHU5CBc2FN F5z29RpTA/JTrgUhn4qeZ19iCIlhe1wi0D3QQH0wN7FrMp6onMw49KFU05/KLDLb JSWdCzjbl/wPEG8z//O6+Pqzj+ZcNM9Rm0b08/QdVoQZMljXkl19Gq2P/D4ceewe WAKePQ2ciFdNbw== =K4ez -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
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Does anyone actually believe Blacknet exists this is about the umpteenth time I have heard about some kind of Blackmarket internet traders that are very had to find. It sounds like something out of that Gibson book "Virtual Light" Reuben Halper
I don't have time right now to dig up my last couple of explanations of this experiment, so let me summarize for the new folks. I'm not enclosing the original BlackNet "prospectus" here, as it has been circulated several times, including a posting to 100 newsgroups by L. Detweiler a short time ago. If you simply _have_ to have it, it's around. 1. I authored BlackNet last summer, as an experiment, and as a "proof of principle" for a discussion at a Palo Alto nanotechnology group. Several list members were there. 2. Hence the emphasis on nanotechnology and the like. That was picked so as to strike a resonant chord with the nannites. 3. I anonymously e-mailed copies to several people I expected to be in attendance, so as to encourage some interest, and so they could see how such things might really develop (black markets for nanotech weapons and other developments). 4. The numbers are real. I generated the BlackNet key, for the <blacknet@cyberspace.nil> address, and I can of course read the traffic posted to BlackNet. Communication is by anonymous pool (a la Myron Cuperman's pools) or by posting anonymously into a publically-readable group (same idea). If BlackNet were real, I would of course not be admitting my connection to it. (However, to reiterate: it is real in the sense that the "parts work." That is, it is not just a Potemkin protocol.) 5. Somebody, not me, took his e-mail copy and anonymously e-mailed it to the Cypherpunks list, around last August-September. It caused only a minor stir. On the Extropians list, I also did a follow-up--this time intentional--announcing that "BlackNet Investigations" was announcing its anonymous dossier service. You can imagine the implications. (I confessed to this experiment a mere few days later, as it looked like some were going along with the joke, adding their own comments about being "shocked, simple shocked" at what they found in their dossiers, while others were growing more and more worried. I think it was Eric Hughes who dubbed this "guerilla ontology.") 6. From Cypherpunks, Detweiler posted it to more than a hundred newsgroups, where the reaction was puzzled, confused, and angry. This was largely the reason he finally had his colostate account yanked. 7. Since then, it continues to bounce around. Oak Ridge National Labs was one of several places that had it (minus the PK block at the end) and had warned their employeess to be "on the lookout" for it and for evidence of theis kind of cyberespionage. And so that's the story. --Tim May (If you don't hear from me the next couple of days you can assume I was taken away by the Men in Black to the Area 51 Surveillance Center, or that I am off at the Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop.)
On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, Timothy C. May wrote:
I don't have time right now to dig up my last couple of explanations of this experiment, so let me summarize for the new folks.
And so that's the story.
--Tim May I have something to add here... since the original blacknet message release, I have encountered about 7 additional blacknet posts... posts
[A very good outline of the history of blacknet followed... deleted to preserve bandwidth.] presumably not of T.C.May origination. One had to do with some TEMPEST monitoring eqip for sale, one claimed to have knowledge of some major AT&T exec's sexual preferences, yet another was offering pirated software for sale (what a joke!). Each of these posts have had thier own PGP public key attached, and a list of acceptable 'pools'. Upon adding each key to my key ring, they each claim to belong to <BlackNet@nowhere.cyberspace.nil> or whatever (all identicle) but had different key id #s and one was even less than 1024bits! (the pirate warez key if I remember right...) My point being, even if Tim didn't originaly intend for it to be a 'real' thing, some people have taken it to heart. Hell, if I ever have anything shady to buy or sell (me? no, *never*!) I might just roll myself a blacknet key and do it that way myself. On a lighter note, Thanks a billion to everyone who posted a "Blacknet is real, man, stay away from them!" message today, I nearly died laughing. Happy Hunting, -Chris. ______________________________________________________________________________ Christian Douglas Odhner | "The NSA can have my secret key when they pry cdodhner@indirect.com | it from my cold, dead, hands... But they shall pgp 2.3 public key by finger | NEVER have the password it's encrypted with!" cypherpunks WOw dCD Traskcom Team Stupid Key fingerprint = 58 62 A2 84 FD 4F 56 38 82 69 6F 08 E4 F1 79 11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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My point being, even if Tim didn't originaly intend for it to be a 'real' thing, some people have taken it to heart.
... Or perhaps they are just going along with the joke as they did with the "stay away" messages. -- Tantalus Inc. Bringing people together Jim Sewell-KD4CKQ 2407 N. Roosevelt Blvd. to have a little fun. Internet: jims@mpgn.com Key West, FL 33041 CIS: 71061,1027 (305) 293-8100 "We keep coding and coding and coding..."
Frederic Halper says:
Does anyone actually believe Blacknet exists this is about the umpteenth time I have heard about some kind of Blackmarket internet traders that are very had to find. It sounds like something out of that Gibson book "Virtual Light"
The March 21st issue of "Cyberspace Intelligence Weekly" reports that Blacknet may be selling portions of (but sadly not complete) specifications to the Skipjack algorithm. Rumor has it that they are physically based on the island of Sonsorol in the western Pacific. Perry
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